Wheel Bearing
Just wondering if it is possible for me to do this myself. I am reading the description on RTM website and it says: The bearing must first be pressed into the knuckle, and then the hub pressed into the innner race of the bearing once it's in place in the knuckle. I am wondering if this is something I need a machine to press it in or if this is something that can be done by hand.
Posted By: chris esquejo
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 07, 2012 04:10 pm UTC
It CAN be done by hand
Better by press.
Brass or aluminum punch would be handy too
Posted By: Rob Strelecki
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 07, 2012 04:10 pm UTC
Do not attempt! Either replace the entire spindle or take it to a shop. The shop will be swearing too, so really the better choice is a replacement spindle so that you can do it yourself or save labour either way.
Posted By: Reza Mirza
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 07, 2012 04:37 pm UTC
I use my press to do the front and rear wheel bearings on my 1g DSM's. Its very easy with a press. You could do them without one if you really had to, but I'd rather take them to a shop rather than try to pound and deform them.
Gosh, my press was probably the best $100 I ever spent at princess auto
I use it for everything.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 07, 2012 04:43 pm UTC
Ok, good to know. Thanks guys, I have a rubbing noise coming from the front right tire that I can hear when I turn the wheel to the right a little when I am driving fast, can't hear it at low speeds.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 07, 2012 06:42 pm UTC
So now I am thinking it's not that, I can hear the rubbing but I lifted the car and the wheel doesn;t move at all. Anything else that could make that rubbing noise? There is no brake dust shield there.
Posted By: Rob Strelecki
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 07, 2012 07:38 pm UTC
If it's not very noisy and if you don't have a vibration, it can't be serious.
How are your brakes?
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 02:50 am UTC
Brakes are good but they did seem a little weaker today than they usually are. I am pretty sure the pads are good though, but haven't looked recently. I have new rotors I am putting on so I was going to look then.
You know what (sorry just thought of this) when I push on the brakes it pushes back at me like little bumps. So I am guessing that maybe the rotors could be warped?
yep, that's what that bumpy bumpy feel is. make sure your calipers aren't seized. seized calipers overheat the pads which warps the rotors. Otherwise they could just be cheap rotors, they shouldn't warp under normal use.
oh, and check your lug nuts...it happens.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 11:24 am UTC
Ok, the rears might be seized a bit, I am hoping it's the fronts though because the rear rotors are pretty new. What about leaving on the e brake for a few days could that warp it?
Posted By: Jason Weir
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 03:35 pm UTC
Leaving the park brake on wont warp rotors. It might cause some corrision in that area where the pads are but 5 mins down the road that should be cleared up.
every 6 months I take my brakes apart and clean up the sliders and lube the hell out of them to make sure that the pads dont stick in the sliders and the caliper pins are well lubed as well. Prolongs the life of everything.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 03:42 pm UTC
What are you using to lube them up, I should probably start doing that.
Posted By: chris esquejo
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 04:13 pm UTC
Brake lube
Posted By: chris esquejo
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 04:14 pm UTC
Anti seize
Posted By: Rob Strelecki
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 04:38 pm UTC
The non-fancy name for the stuff is "silicone dielectric grease". Put it on all moving surfaces, except for the friction surfaces of course.
Posted By: Jason Weir
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 05:45 pm UTC
anti sieze is bloody brilliant stuff. I also work at a shop and every tech has a bottle of it laying around
Its a grey paste that just stays in better than most things
Posted By: Salomon Ponte
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 06:24 pm UTC
Leaving the park brake on wont warp rotors. It might cause some corrision in that area where the pads are but 5 mins down the road that should be cleared up.
every 6 months I take my brakes apart and clean up the sliders and lube the hell out of them to make sure that the pads dont stick in the sliders and the caliper pins are well lubed as well. Prolongs the life of everything.
They will if your brakes are hot. One of the first things I tell track newbs (road course, anyways) is to NEVER put your parking brake on after you get off the track. It causes uneven cooling and makes it quite easy for the rotors to warp.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 06:38 pm UTC
Thanks for the tips guys!
Don't put the gray or silver or black or copper anti-sieze on the slider pins it will ruin the slider boots. Only use the silicone lube on them.
Posted By: Mike Eng
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 08, 2012 11:32 pm UTC
just picked up a new tube of "sil-glide" $20. It'll last me 10 or so brake services
Posted By: Ian Burnside
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 09, 2012 01:10 pm UTC
Should last longer than that. You dont need that much on each slider.
Posted By: Mike Eng
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 09, 2012 01:58 pm UTC
you're right..I was taking a wild guess lol
Posted By: Jason Weir
Re: Wheel Bearing - May 09, 2012 04:14 pm UTC
yeah was no tthinking about the track days and park brakes (we dont get track days in NS we just get to read about them on here)
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 13, 2012 12:23 am UTC
so I finally figured out what the cause of my noise was. Just found it today on my drive home, but am not sure what part it is that I need. Seems to be the bolt on the steering gear that mounts to the wheel. Any one know where I can get this bolt? So did some research and am thinking this is the part that I need, some confirmation would be great.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 13, 2012 12:43 am UTC
Found
this hiding in the 2g section, is this what I need? should I replace both?
Also is
this any worse?
Posted By: Kyle Guba
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 13, 2012 01:38 am UTC
What you took a pic of is a tie rod yes. And yes change both. Make sure you mark your tie rods and measure your new ones compared to the old ones or you'll need an alignment
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 13, 2012 04:26 am UTC
K thanks Kyle! Any thoughts on the two I posted? Are the moog ones worth the extra?
Posted By: Jeremy Gilbert
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 13, 2012 12:47 pm UTC
Moogs are lifetime warranty, and generally a very good product.
Posted By: Reza Mirza
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 13, 2012 12:57 pm UTC
Tie rod end. Its a wear item. Best is to replace and take it for an alignment, or take the car in for an alignment and tell them to replace the tie rod end before they do it. More than likely any good shop should check for play (in the ball joints, inner/outer tie rods, wheel bearings, or control arm bushings) in both wheels before they do the alignment anyways.
Posted By: Johnny Larmond
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 14, 2012 02:46 am UTC
I'll be doing this swap this week!
Posted By: Ian Burnside
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 14, 2012 10:37 pm UTC
Moog is good and guaranteed for life. I'd buy them, but it depends on your plan for the car. Cheap ones are good for safeties or if you dont like spending money on parts. It might fail twice as fast as the Moog part and youd end up buying 2-3 over the same span. I'm not sure in the quality as I always buy the moog or what ever canadian tire sells. They quite often have 2 for 1 sales which is always good
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 02:42 pm UTC
These guys want 160 to install the tie rod ends and then 135 to do the alignment, this is at Brampton Chrystler. I will order them today and put them on myself, but do you guys have a good place for me to go near me (Brampton at Ching and Bovaird) to get the alignment done?
Also, should I get a pickle fork to do this?
Posted By: Johnny Larmond
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 03:18 pm UTC
As for the tierod ends, mine are NOT GOOD! I'm in a bit of a bind so (sorry Ziggy) I'm heading over to crappy tire and getting their "Nascar" ones. Still have a lifetime warranty and at the same price point as the Moog ones.
Bryan, just be careful and set the tierods yourself. Provided they're the same length and even if they aren't I'm sure you can measure out the proper distance.
Posted By: Jeremy Gilbert
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 03:58 pm UTC
I'm heading over to crappy tire and getting their "Nascar" ones.
Canadian Tire reboxes Moog under their "Nascar" brand for suspension. Just the same as they rebox Raybestos brake pads under the "Nascar" name. So you're good
As far as replacing them... when you thread the old outer tie rod off, count the number of rotations it took you to get it off. Thread the new ones on with the same number of rotations, and you probably won't even need an alignment.
I threw mine on the rack afterwards just in case and everything was in the green for me.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 04:00 pm UTC
What tools you think I should need for this?
Posted By: Jeremy Gilbert
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 04:09 pm UTC
The usual tools for taking off your wheel, I believe the tie rod nut is a 14mm but don't quote me (should either be 14mm or 17mm), 2 wrenchs for the adjusting lock nut (one can be adjustable if need be), penetrating oil, and a mini sledge (to free up the tie rod from the spindle).
Oh, and beer. Obviously.
Posted By: Johnny Larmond
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 04:19 pm UTC
SWEET! Thanks for the clarification on that Jeremy
I'm sure you're right with the 14 for the nut. also might need a balljoint separator or a mallet to bust the joint loose.
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 04:21 pm UTC
Cool, thanks guys!
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 06:20 pm UTC
Just watched a video and some dude used this thing called a grease gun, do I need to grab this, or should it be filled already?
Posted By: Jeremy Gilbert
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 08:48 pm UTC
I think mine actually came empty with the boot and grease nipple separate. You don't need a grease gun for installation though, just for maintenance. Just clean the joint well and pack the boot full of chassis grease before you put the end together. When you put the grease-filled boot on the end, the extra grease should squeeze out through the threads for the grease nipple. Clean it off, thread the nipple in, install and enjoy
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 08:54 pm UTC
Hey Ian, did a little research and found this:
Moog warranties their parts and products to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for one year from the date of purchase.
You sure about the lifetime?
Posted By: Jeremy Gilbert
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 20, 2012 09:18 pm UTC
You sure about the lifetime?
Sorry, I forgot we let a few things slip by here at work. Moog (along with a few other manufacturers) put a lifetime warranty on their parts provided they are installed by a professional. Backyard mechanics get a 1 year warranty.
We honour the lifetime warranties even for our backyard mechanic accounts...
Posted By: Bryan Lawrence
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 21, 2012 12:42 am UTC
oh cool, that's good to know.
Posted By: Johnny Larmond
Re: Wheel Bearing - August 21, 2012 02:44 am UTC
Picked mine up today and they were already filled.
Also, after installing them she likes to turn left a little more then right. Just a little snappier that is but it drives straight.
I counted the turns off the original ones and tried to match them as close as I could. I'm dead even on the passenger side and minus 1/2 turn on the driver side. Imagine that has to do with the slight pull. *Sigh... might need an alignment afterall.