Spike dyno. take a guess.

O.k so it looks like spike would be going to the dyno on next wednesday.
Taking guesses,
Lets see who get the right number.
The main specs are:

Fully built long block.
GT35R garret 82mm.
880 injectors.
Magnus intake.
Tubular mani.
3" turbo-back.
With AEM EMS.
No alchol or NOS and 94 pump gas.

Last time with did a pre tuned with chris and we just pushed to 351whp at 18psi on dsmlink and no magnus manifold.

If everything goes good i will have number on that day.

-Manuel

How much boost are you going to run?

I have a better question. Who put the car together and whose tuning?

O.k,
Good questions, i forgot that info sorry.
I put the car togeter my self and we will do and inspection at the shop, the motor was put togeter by ajax engines.
Marco would be the one tuning and i would be aming for 28psi.

-Manuel

Final tune would be 420ish.

I would say 500hp at the motor at 30psi easy with those mods...

I say 440whp on that dyno at 28psi..

I'll call 320hp at the motor, blowing up when you try to go higher...

Manuel... it's SPIKE! You KNOW something bad's going to happen! *Laugh*

I say some insignifican rubber hose will melt, causing all your coolant to flow out and you won't notice and you'll seize your new engine like last time.

Other than that, 30psi should net 450ish to the wheels.

Good luck Manny!

P.S: I really want to run that at Shannonville. Maybe we'll have some fun with my quick spooling Evo III at the Maxim Wheels Lapping Day.

427

above 420

to the guys who have 400+ whp cars on here, what the hell do they feel like? is it even controlable or can you even press the gas all the way down?

Don't ask them, ask someone who's been in one that doesn't own one!
They got used to the speed, that's why they had to go all the way past 400WHP

I bet it's something like comparing a golf cart and a stock turbo DSM, though


On topic...
Can we get some A&W riding on this one, too?
I think at least you will break 400 easily on the base run, and after well beyond that if this thread didn't jinx it.

Rob, you're all about the A&W! Spend all your money on figuring out a way to get rid of torque steer and wheel hop?


HEE HO HA!

1 dollar!

lol I'm going to go with high 499

Just cause then its not technically in the 500's but its so close. =]

If you want to have some fun, ask Marco to take off the Magnus manifold and put a stock one back on so it'll make some more power!

I realy want to see spike do 500+ it should be fairly easy to achieve.
This is just to see how the car will work at the track, I'll probably be replacing this turbo next season for a 3076R next season if this one is to much for lapping.


But keep gussing.

-Manuel

i think the fastest car i've been in has been (don't laugh) a 2003 Corvette which is only like what, 350 crank hp?

i'd love to feel what a 400+hp car feels like.

btw, my guess is 382 awhp @ 27psi

Well, all I have to say is that if you get 420 horsepower at the crank or at the wheels, that dyno sheet better be used for something else.

In a perfect world 500WHP if the motor and setup is working perfect, and if Marco tweaks that AEM. 94 octane + 880's + 28 psi, I think you might be right at the edge.
Once I get my new keydivier chip anyday, I'll be running 30 psi on the 3065, but that is with meth injection/ultra94 and 1000cc's.

I say your gonna make 416 WHP.

Hey Reza, you have the same identical setup as me with the exception of the turbo.

Maybe we should line it up this summer J/K.....

Reza took me for a little drive around the block, not even wot, and I was blown.. I repeat.. blown away..

Its like the airplane taking off.. but times two or three..


This is 20G, So I guess it was 4G less
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MMMp8mvdVhQ

Hehe, I remeber that Brian. I think the boost was a little low then too, around 25 psi.
Miguel, bring it on this Saturday

I was in the passenger seat when Helder was turning up the boost in sergio's talon (got to about 25 psi). Was told about 400+ HP. at 70% or so throttle (was looking at AFC) i was pushed into the seat pretty good.

I must say, it feels like i'm pushed in 4 times harder than when i hit 13-14 psi in my car at about 80% throttle(pretty much stock).

felt nice. hoping to get mine there.

LOL, thanks for the kind compliment Ju. It does pull insanely hard that's for sure. I'm going to stay off boost for a week or so, I'm going to drive it normal to see what sort of mileage I can get out of a tank of fuel

I was doing some research and i saw cars with prety much my same set up as mine, all of them over the 500 mark.

BTW reza what you meant by
"on the edge"?

As on the edge for the motor? or maxing out the turbo, i think the 35R maxes at around 580-600, and the motor would take 500 easy.

Where do you think i would be on the edge?
I think wednesday would be one of those call "heart brakers"


-Manuel

you go man ..I know you should make that 500hp easy...injector duty at the edge..

I am going to go with 527hp.

497

Yes, I'd agree that setup should be able to post +500whp numbers, but if your running straight 94, I don't think you'll see those numbers. On an ideal tune I guess right around the 470 whp mark with 28psi but I think the straight pump will limit your tune. For this my guestimate would be more around the 440-450 whp mark. Now if you add some meth injection & some more boost, I would think that 500whp goal shouldn't be an issue.

So Manuel, what's the deal hear...the closest gets to rip it at Mosport or Calabogie?

I say 476 to the rollers.

Keep me posted.
Luis

This is like that SpeedTV show Time Slip or something like that. Guess the 1/4 mile time!

I'm going to guess around 433WHP. I was going to say 413WHP but Reza beat me to it.

I've been a passenger on a 350 (from what i can remember) whp car. He did a 5k launch and i was press to the seat on every gear. That convince me to get a DSM.


...what was i thinking!

Dang I want that =]

I liked talons since I started seeing them at dealers. Just got more into it when I found out they actually had power. =]

I'll guess 463!

I think Eric wins!!

my guess is 435 at the wheels

444
or...
486

Manuel, You could turn this into a raffle.. like elementary, guess how many smarties are in the Jar..

good luckk

40 replies in this thread so far hah

Are we going to place a loonie pool on this? Kind of like Roulette?

I'll take square 462.

we should do a 50 50, half goes to club, half goes to winner

I'd be down for that. Maybe set it up through a Paypal account?

After making my post, I thought of that as i fell asleep!

I'm in..

469!

I just wanted to put 69 in there!

how many days to we have, lets start a pot!

Well, we can start a pot. So what happens if nobody gets the pot? Half goes to Manny, the other to the board? Or do we send it all to the board?

closest to it.
doesnt matter over under.
if difference is same between 2 people they each get a quater?

i dunno.

O.k so everything is on time, spike will taken to magnus on wenedsday to make the braket for the fuel pump and make sure that everything its o.k for the rollers.

Thursday its when it will be straped on, and see what happens.

-Manuel

With 880's and no meth you will run out of injector if you are pushing it.

Yea Kevin K took me for a ride past GM (his tuning road).

Afterwards he appologized for taking me in a ride in a big turbo car. haha, that guy is gonna bankrupt me now. jk.

I hope you crack 500hp Manuel.

Spike its been straped down on the dyno since Thursday night,
We are fighting some bugs.

-Manuel

O.k so,
So far we have run 398 at 18psi.
The cam sensor its gone, i have to get one for monday.
The ones at the shop are not good.

Cam sensor anyone?
Pm me pls.


Besides the car is runing amazing and very strong.



-Manuel

Thats a nice number. Congrats man.

Manny, get'er up to 450WHP man!

pfft, 499 ftw!

OMF, you are gett'n there Bro.

Let us know what she does.

Ghislain.

Thank you guys, monday we will turning it up at 28-30psi.

I think i have found a CAM sensor.
-Manuel

Come 499 =]

I won the 100 dollar post whore, I should win this =]

Keep the guesses coming,

398 @ 18PSI, Monday the boost will be turn up to 28psi.

-Manuel

450whp at 28psi is my guess.

480.8 WHP!

467.57whp at 28psi

510whp. 28-30.

457whp. 28

your going to crack the 500's for sure.

515 maybe.

509

28psi on 94 octane with no sort of alcohol/water/meth injection? Thats brave!!! I say 473 if the motor holds together lol.

Hey chris did you know that the cam sensor was gone when you were tuning spike?

Am happy i did not blow then!!

Thats why it was porring black smoke.

Itll be O.k, is marco tuning this time.LOL.

-Manuel

LOL whatever you say!! Your knock sensor will be putting out more voltage then your alternator

491.7 at the wheels

?

Did it blow up?

Yes it did.
Damn.

You gotta be kidding right?

I was wondering the same,

Oh sh!t what happened Manuel, details ?

28 psi on my FP3065 with the 1000's and I have upgraded to a dual nozzle setup for the meth injection for it not to knock. I will be upping it to 30 psi soon, but never without meth.

Something to think about Manuel...

Yeah I agree with Reza as well. It's my first time using Meth and I really like the peace of mind it gives you. Run higher boost without the risk of running lean. That is if you don't forget to fill up the bottle when empty

You blew it up AGAIN? What happened?

Ouch.

That sucks.

What's the damage?

So I guess Troy wins as he was the closest.

Manuel, I hope the damage isn't that bad though. Its early in the season so you still got lots of time to put it back together.

this saddens me...we were all set to insure it so manuel could finally drive spike home

I was just thinking. Maybe this is his way of playing a trick on us. I bet when he gets the HP numbers he really wants, he's going to pull a line out of Scarface the movie and say:


"SUPRISE" 500HP

I'm pulling for you Manny. I hope Spike is okay

Damn. That sucks Manuel. Sorry to hear. Hopefully the damage is not too bad.

Oh man, now i feel like a dick.
It was supposed to be a joke, It did not blow up and i will pick it up today.

We only dialed 400whp, after fighting all the bugs spike still has problem with fuel, so untill i figure out what it is i will only be running those 400 awd at 19-20 psi.

Its very very strong, and with being that rich is very safe.

Sorry for the bad joke.

-Manuel

See I knew it....

It was all a "SUPRISE"

so I guessed 382, was anyone closer?

I said 420 and if this was The Price is Right (with Bob Barker, not that other dude cause I don't like his squinty face) then I think I'd have won with a guess of 420. Can't remember much about the rules though, maybe I'd have lost because I went over? I haven't seen the show in ages!

Ha, in that case I was the closest @ 416 WHP.
Manuel, what kind of fuel issues are you having, too much or too little ?

Also, since you will be lapping the car it might be a better idea not to try to squeeze the most power out of it. 400 should be good enough

The problem i was having with fuel is that there was black smoke at higer boost.

But then the wide bands keep telling us we were lean.
I am desapointed, i know that everything is there to make the power its just that the fuel problem is dragging us down.
We fix lots of little electrical proble that keep showing up, but the one with fuel we are unsure of what it is.

I will drive the car with that power for now and focus on the rest of the suspension.
I might go with a 30r instead.

Will see how i like it.
But is sure that i would hit the dyno again in a couple of months to see if i can fixed that problem.

-Manuel

Drew Cary is the new host, and price right rules are if you bid higher you lose.

And 400hp is still really good!

ebay parts blow her up ..

I beleive I was the closest. Lets define "base run" as being the first run without bugs, before tuning for more power



Good job, Meanuel. I was hoping it was a joke.

Stop making fun of the guy and answer your phone

What type of WB were you using? Have you confirmed its accurate operation vs another WB?

Price is Right rules:

Contestant closest to the target number, WITHOUT going over.

Unless someone guessed 383-399, it looks like I was closest

Bah, there's no way he got 400 on the dot.
If he got between 400.1 and 420, then I WIN!

But this ain't "Price is Right"
It is: "Spike dyno. take a guess"

lol Reza why do you have to burst our bubble? In any case, I am glad your car didn't really blow up dude. I kinda had a feeling from your very SHORT response that you weren't serious.

Here is a pic of the ebay parts,

And here a lil video of the ebay parts not blowing on a 400whp pull.LOL.


Guys, the actual number was: 401whp at 20psi at 6000 rpm, the air fuel ratio was 13.46 by then and the car was pooring black smoke.
See whats my issue?.
The car had to stay again, we'll go for another round on monday.
-Manuel

Such a nice engine bay real clean .

Nice Manuel. Glad it was a joke! When you get your dyno tuning done you can post your plot in the dyno plot thread I tried to start last year!
-> http://www.ca.dsm.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=201514

Nice engine bay and awesome dyno numbers at 20 psi.

I am running an AEM wide band, when i was running the dsmlink was fine.
I dont know anymore, we found out that the faking coolant sensor its bad(falling apart) and i dont want to mention what shop put it in, but their race car is a black 1g.

Anyways that could be the problem, because without it the EMS will try to compensate with trwing more fuel.

-Manuel

Hello Manuel.

Those are excellent numbers.

Let us know how things work after you replace that bad Coolant Sensor.

Ghislain.

I was really hoping I'd be dead wrong... Glad I was. 'Only' 400hp? I hate you.

Black smoke, but showing lean. I wonder if perhaps one injector is sticking open, running it rich on a single cylinder?

Update.
So after i waet and pick up a coolant sensor from sergio's house this morning, i went to magnus and marco had already put in a GM sensor in it, and said that fix it and that he was not able to get at the car untill later afternoon.

So i went to the mall grab something to eat and came back around 7:30pm, we took the car to the dyno again, straped it, did a little run to log it and found out that the rich problem was fix.
Then did another run and found out that we where running to lean, after doing another pull and checked fuel pressure seems like the FUkin brand new 255High prssure walbro pump decide the take a dump.

This a fukin nightmare, i took the car just get it tune but this kind of bugs keep coming back.
Its been three weeks Fack.

Hello.

Dyno tuning always reveal the car weak spot, which can be good.

Odds are that this Pump is the last part and she'll be just fine after that.

You'll be rocking in no time.

Ghislain.

Hang in the Manny. I'm sure you'll start to see the light at the end of the tunnel soon.

I know the exact feeling, trust me. My car has beem a fackin' nightmare from the day I bought it. Forward 5 months later, nice weather is upon us and the car sits in the garage again. These cars are either on or off there's no in between.

P.S. If you don't have any use for the coolant temp sensor, I'll gladly take it back and refund your money

Thank you guys,
I think i am more pissed about the fact that its so hard to get marco on the dyno because he is so damn busy, and when we finally get him there, he does tow pulls and some little damn thing goes.
Even when everybody there has been very helpfull, Bruno the "new" mechanic, sean and even marco have so much patience with me and spike, I just want to get out of there.
I feel like i friking live there.

Its ok miguel i will keep the sensor.
I migth use it......you know.

-Manuel

So, Here are the final whp an boost numbers.
We finally finished all the little problems and put the did tuning today.

Spike ran 423whp at 25psi.
Its running nice and strong, it feel just fakin amazing.
Full boost at 4300rpm.
Not bad for the ol good 94 sunoco gas.

So who won?

-Manuel

Thanks to the guys at MAGNUS MOTORSPORTS.
After they dealt with me for more than three weeks figuring out bugs and issues, and 50 plus dino pulls,
they finally help me get spike to run some decent power on the safe side.
Thanks to Bruno, Marco and Sean.

Congrats, Manny. And hats off to Marco and crew... That should put more than 500hp at the crank. MUST feel amazing when you put your foot down.

Again, damned glad I was wrong. Just keep watching those guages.

I said 420 Congrats Manny, those numbers are nice!

good job, I'd love to be pushing that type of power through all four wheels.

Not bad Spike! With a GT35R, I think you should be making a little more at 25psi, but then again its not that bad for just 94 octane. As a tuner I think they have tuned your car to be on the safe side, which is good for the lapping that your car will be seeing.

Congrats Manny!

Yeah, same as what Reza said. Unless you throw some Meth into that beast to keep the knock down, they tuned it on the safe side.

Cool Many, cool.

Ghislain.

on a DSM, how much of that power is useable?

can you even give it full throttle in a road setting?

Yes,
Marco was very please.
See,You hear all of this people oh 35r this and 35r but is not untill you hit the dyno that you relise how much pump gas can hold you back.
But beleave me 423 at 6000rpm and full boost at 4300, feels real good.
Like marco said "Spike feels like Fackin rocket", and i agreed with him.
And yes we tune on the safe side, Lapping would be harder on the car than doing quarter mile, And well i want at least to last me
This season.

-Manuel

We told you so near the beginning of this thread

I would love to see what Spike can do on C16!