is that it?

Is that it for mods or is there something else I can do without addin'a turbo or NOS for power,I dont have a header because I lost to much bottom end for the gain I got on top,
I have K&N filter,removed the silencer,drilled the air can 5 holes,new accel 300+ thundersport wires,NGK plugs,under drive pully,a/c coolant/belt removed,ecu chip,2" exhaust with cat 2 resonators no muffler,new T/belt,and C/belt,cleaned the throttle body,run only 94 octane and mobile 1 synthetic oil.I just drove a stock 93-94 laser rs with 60,000km about a 2weeks ago ,I know my car has way more power than it did,compared to it mine flys, just with these few mods,but I was just wonderin what else can be done,eg timming advance,different throttle bodys,injectors,intake pipes,EGR mods? etc,by the way about the ecu chip what stages are available, the tag on it says updated 98 sg1 Im thinkin stage 1 instaled in 1998 ?

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91 LASER RS (N/T)
95 Honda VLX

[This message has been edited by Steve Leigh (edited September 13, 2000).]

Sounds like you done a lot to your car. Way more that I did. I also have a 1991 Laser RS 2.0L NT and it sports a EPROM ECU. Tod says that he never reprogramed a NT. I e-mailed him a while ago but he never replied...

I'd like to get the fuel and timing maps revised. There is not much out there for our car when it comes to NT. Superchips could do it but I never heard of anybody that used there services. I think they are not the cheapest in town. That would be a high cost for a few ponies. If I ever do it I'd get Tod to do it because he knows about DSM ecu's.

I did play with the timing a bit, 7 to 10 deg base timing is fine, gives you a little more bottom end, not much but defenetly noticable. I went to 12 but did not see any improuvement for 10 deg advance.

I also removed the two tubes from the MAF. Got a slight lean condition at idle. This condition was cured by removing the fuel pressure regulator vaccum line. It gives 10 extra psi of fuel pressure. I only run this set-up at the track.
http://www.lks.net/~ghislisa/

Ghislain.

[This message has been edited by Ghislain Goudreau (edited September 11, 2000).]

You can also block off the EGR...that won't give you much...but everylittle bit helps with a NT I suppose.

Ghislain probably has some blockoff plates laying around.

Btw, Steve, you're in welland often?
I've seen your car often.. white laser, big black wing...? I live near Crabby Joes..on Fitch....putting a new engine into my NT...probably this weekend...stop by if you're around...you can icq me @ 14733641

Ain't got no plates right now but I could make a few if there's a demand for...

;~)

yep thats me It sort of stands out eh?Im always in wellad,I hate port!!!,Im like a mouse if Im up I leave this hole and Im in welland or the falls,I only run back to the hole when I need some sleep,I stick around because the rents so cheep,ha ha.I will try to stop by and intoduce myself,

Hey guys,

I haven't been here in a while because my car has had a few "issues" ie: Shifter Cable broke and cooling fans don't work. Just minor technicalities!

One mod that I did that worked better then anything else I have done so far is the Home Depot Intake Mod (tm) It cost me a total of 27.00 including tax and about an hour or less of work. The only trick was trying to get it to fit, seeing as it was originally done on a 1.8L. You just have to squish it in

Once I tinkered with it, it made a huge difference from my old twisty, oiley, ridged, rubber pipe. But as I said, I haven't really been tinkering with my car lately because I have kinda run out of things to do to it. The ECU would be nice but I think way to costly for what it would give us NTers. I won't touch the whole "lightening" the car (seeing as I have a massive stereo for competition).

Ghislain, How do I advance my timing in this car, seeing as it is distributer-less. Also I have NGK 8mm wires that are now 2 years old, would replacing them with larger or better newer ones make a big difference?

Thanks Guy's,


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Mike Vince
Lots a Boom, Vrrooom
'90 Laser RS NT

Yo Mike.

Basicly to advance the "Base Timing" you need to do it at the Cam Position Sensor. It's the same as if your car would have a Distributor.

You first start by grounding a connector on the fire wall. (I don't have my maintenance manual with me and I don't remember the proper term for this connector) It's is situated on the firewall not too far from the fuel filter. It is a single wire connector. Remove the protective cap then ground it to the frame of the car.

You then install the timing light and start the car, just make sure it's at operating temp, ideling at 750 ±50 RPM and that all accesories are turned off. From there it's like any other car. Turn the Cam Sensor Clockwise (CW) for more Advance, CCW for less.

Hope this helps.

Ghislain.

[This message has been edited by Ghislain Goudreau (edited September 14, 2000).]

IM glad I got to meet you Paul,IF you need a hand give me a ring.Im usualy not to far from home!

Steve,

It was nice to meet another local DSMer too.
I'm dropping the engine in on saturday starting around 9am. If you're not stuck in Port swing by...there will be 1 or 2 others help'n out...probably a few too many guys for the job, but the more the marrier.

hey guys

I hear you guys talking about adding all these mods to a N/T but I always wonder how much bhp a N/T talon could go??
cause I have one and I'm in the same position

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97 talon esi

I have just made my own Home depot style intake pipe but it cost me less than $10,I got a 15" piece of 3" id abs pipe cut the stock intake pipe (from a 90 talon I got from the scrap yard)just below the two end elbows,and put the pipe in betwen,sealed the seams with silicon,no need to move the battery box or anything.I have no idea what the hp is now but I know its A LOT more than stock,its some were between a stock and a turbo,infact I test drove a higher KM 91 laser turbo the other day and it was faster but not a shocking difference,and my car has well over 210,000 km,what I want to know is how fast some one has had there n/t going,Ive visited 160-180 a few times but I have no need to push my little car to hard,its the only wheels the wife and I have and can afford

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91 LASER RS (N/T)
95 Honda VLX

You guys should talk to Michael Hamilton,he has his N/A running the 1/4 mile at i belive 14.2 and he has no NOS or Turbo on his N/A.
All motor and major weight reduction of about 700 lbs. haah yes 700 lbs.

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92 Turbocharged HYUNDAI SONATA

700lbs! Haha, sure no problem let me just take out my seats, the dash, all trim pieces inside and out, steering wheel, axle... Oh wait a minute, some of those things I MAY need

Ghislain: I think I'll try to advance the timing, a guy at work has a timing light and it doesn't seem to take much to do. Does it make a big difference in power?

Steve: I've had mine up to 205 and it still had a bit of head room... Won't be doing it again mind you but I'm sure 210 or 215 or so is possible.


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Mike Vince
Lots a Boom, Vrrooom
'90 Laser RS NT

Mike vince,
He still has his dash,his trim pieces inside and out,front and rear seats are still there too and is the steering wheel and axle. If you look inside the car you cant tell. Hows that for weight reduction?? haha

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92 Turbocharged HYUNDAI SONATA

Yo Mike.

You will notice a little difference. Basicly you'll get better bottom end torque.

Ghislain.

Hey guys. Have any of you tried to rewire a NT fuel pump?

If so what gauge of wire did you use and did it help any.

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Just starting but getting there.

I tought about it but never did it.

I'm not sure if we could get any HP from it but I'd be interested to see your results if you ever do.

I'd use the same gauge as the Turbo Puncks...

Later.

Ghislain.

cool I just might have to give it a try.

Ill get back to guys in a couple of weeks

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Just starting but getting there.

Hey guys
Its been a while I've been working my butt off for this summer, saving up for my machine, I have lots of work to do, but I'm hopeing to be up and around that area next summer. But I want to get things done first.

I noticed you were mentioning speeds my 93 DL 1.8L Talon hit 210kmh. but you need a hell of a lot of road and it ends fast at that speed. The amazing thing is that i never even had a shim or anythng it was a smooooth ride.
Good talking to you guys and I'll keep intouch.
P.S.
We need to set up somthing for us N/T's, I know many people here with N/T's I'll get them on DSM, and I think there are enough of us, We Need To Have A Meet. <<<<What you think??? (Next Summer)

[This message has been edited by David Stokes (edited September 23, 2000).]

just today on my way to St caths,I was playin with a sunfire GT and realized that @100kph the tack is at 2250RPM and @ 160kph/100mph my tack is at a rock steady 3500rpm,180kph is probably aroud 4000,all my power is after 3000rpm and a 160kph it feels like it wants to go,I have no problem gettin to 160 in fact its surprising how fast it gets there for a N/T,the car eccelerates harder after 160 then it dose before,IM almost positive that it will reach beyond the 240 mark,

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91 LASER RS (N/T)
95 Honda VLX

OK never mind MY intake idea did not work like I planed
I cut stock pipe to short,and so when I steped on the gas hard it pulled the siliconed boot off the pipe ,I need another air intake pipe so I can cut it longer this time and I will make it so that it can flex a bit.
i just put the stock on back on for now,

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91 LASER RS (N/T)
95 Honda VLX

if you do advance the timing or whatever how much power does that add? And are there any other things you need to buy before you do something like that? How much would something like that cost anyways?

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97 talon esi

Hello.

The only thing you need to adjust the timing is time, a maintenance manual, and a timing light. You can borrow the timing light and do it yourself. Just follow the instruction I give in my tird post from the top in this topic. Get help from someone that has done it before.

You shoud be getting a little more bottom end (as stated in my fourth post) it hard to tell how much. Try it you'll see a slight difference.

Hope this helps.

Ghislain.