Revolution 2011 Build, 8's and Street Driven 2G

New project this year is to convert my 5 speed 1997 Talon AWD to an Auto, and go after that 8 second mark while keeping the car streetable. The car has gone 9.6@159Mph with the 5 speed, at 3250lbs. And when it comes to auto's the natural choice is the crew at English Racing, thanks to Lucas, Jeff, Arron, and Myles. I hope I can tuck into the draft behind you guys I will still be running a full sequential Spark Tech ignition system, but pretty much everything else on the car is going to be changed, and I mean everything! Going to be running Comp triple as usual on the car as it has all been an outstanding performer both in power and spool but also in durability. More to come

Video of the car going 9.6@157, and on the dyno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEqyEsN-P4

Sorry that was an old video here is the video of the 9.6@157Mph pass

9.6@157Mph

Whats left of my old 300M upgraded 5 speed transfer case



And the new auto transfer case after machining for the larger 300M output shaft and re- setting clearances.

Awesome, can't wait to see more of this!

Wow... ive gotta say, the paint color, the body kit and the rims/tire combo - the car looks fking EVIL.

Favourite engine bay by far...so empty...

Yeah I was just marveling at the engine bay myself. GORGEOUS. Also love the intake in the headlight, that's pretty snazzy

I guess cutting off an extra .5 of a second is worth becoming less of a man!

New 6 bolt to 2G Auto adapter plate

i like the radiator hoses.

So besides an all new engine, trans setup, I'm also redoing the whole chassis. Out with the 8.5 NHRA certified cage and in with the new 25.4 certified chassis. This is going to be alot of fabrication cause I'm going to do it in the car using what I can from the exsisting cage.

Good stuff! I couldn't be happier with my auto, I haven't broken any drivetrain parts yet this season!

Thanks I was down with the English Racing crew in Portland last weekend and after watching there car go I'm super pumped to get this thing on the go.

I think we are ALL pretty pumped to see this

Thanks Ziggy

More parts for the auto swap my Kiggly 6 bolt SFI flex plate, ready to bolt up

New Kiggly HLA to help limit the amount of oil getting pushed up to the head a common problem with these motors if turned at very high RPM.

So just recieved my new set of Wiesco HD Pistons for my 2.0L build, going to clean them up and do a few tricks and then there ready to install

Most of the parts are at the machine shop for the short block and going to start the chassis part of the build on next days off

New rods awaiting some final machining and still need to build a jig for the bearings This is going to be a light weight setup as I plan to turn this motor alot higher then I have my 2.3 in the past.

Ron, how high do you figure you will have to turn the engine? 26 tire im guessig, what converter are you going with?

Based on Jeff's car for me to trap in the 160's around 9400Rpm

Sorry guys have more parts and more updates just swampped at my new job. Will update on the Christmas break

Multitask!

Ha I wish I'm working out of town right now so its impossible but over the Christmas break lots of work will get done.

Sorry for no updates just been to busy

But here we go

This is whats left of my NHRA cert'd 8.50 Chrome Moly cage

Machined a custom fitting to allow me to port water directly to the cylinder head

Even though I was sick all Christmas break still got some good work done on the car

My new JM Fab block off plate Thanks Jim

Great build! 9.6?!? with a full weight car! WOW

Thanks Troy I'm hoping that ET will drop atleast a second and match my MPH this year with the auto

Enjoy your electric water pump Ron!
I miss it already

Thanks should be home tomorrow hopefully it will be there

Sorry for no updates busy at work

Here's my new convertor, one more piece of the auto puzzel

Just when I thought I had enough work ahead of me I decided to color match my cage, and change my interior color

Machining a custom fitting into my JMF water pump block off plate

Alot of people have been asking me if I will be turning the car in to a full out race car this year to accomplish some of my goals? Actually I'm going to try to make the car more streetable, and instead of taking out the interior and stripping the car I'm redoing the whole interior using a 7 stage professional dying system. I'm also updating the stock fabric door panels to leather, and replacing the old grey sun roof head liners with a non sun roof headliner and dying it also On the mechanical side I plan on adding an idle air control motor which I have been running without for the last 4 years. This should help the car on cold starts on E85.

Some of the interior pieces

I really Dig this Ron.

I love this approach. A car is pointless to me unless you can drive it to the track!

Even if the car goes SLOWER somehow, Making the inside more comfy, and the addition of an IAC is awesome!

Any links on this "dying system"

Thanks I'll try to find some links for you.

All the products I used were SEM's but I went with the spray on not in the can for hopefully a better and more durable finished product.

Is the SEM in a can single component or two component?

No its 2 products to clean, plus a soap clean first, another primer, another color, and then a clear so 5 SEM products intotal.

I would think I have over 10hrs in prep on my pieces before I even sprayed the primer and probably 40hrs total to the end result. Not for the timid at heart for sure.

heh, I meant the individual products, do you mix an A part and a B part together?

No they are all ready to be sprayed.

Modifed my JMF block off plate to accept a AN fitting via a 1/2" NPT. Milled the hole, then machined a fitting to fit and tig'd the fitting into place

Milling hole for press fit fitting


Fitting machined for tolerance fit in block off plate also fitting tapered to enhance flow


Fitting pressed into block of plate


Fitting Tig'd to block off plate

Looks good, but the blockoff plate actually looks reasonably thick....could you not just have tapped the 1/2" NPT right into the blockoff plate?

If he did that, the threads may have bottomed out against the block before it got tight enough to seal though, no?

I have cut 1/2 NPT into oil return line flanges that were only about 5/16 thick. I just stayed a little shallow with the tap to make sure the fitting did not protrude. Also, not sure what this is blocking off, but since there is a fitting there, there is obviosly something going through.....so there COULD be an opening behind that area to accept a protruding fitting.

Maybe I would have just done it this way because I don't weld

Yeah the maching part and press fitting the fitting was a little over kill, but once you weld the way you approach things changes so much. I'm just starting to weld in the last 2 years and no you don't have to compromise so much when you building things. The only reason too that I didn't just weld an AN fitting on like most people is that if the fitting head gets damaged you screwed this way you just put a new fitting in, and if I switch blocks and or head all the fittings are transferable

I think it is a blockoff for where the water pump is, to run an electric water pump. (Anthony's hint on the first page )

Correct sorry its a water pump block off plate

In that case, there would likely have been no problem with a fitting protruding into the cavity behind.

I guess as a tool & die maker I learned to dislike welding because it is "inaccurate" and distorts things....

No doubt, though, that it is a FAST and THOROUGH way to attach things....

We bolted the plate down during welding as a percussion but also check the plate after

Looks like a nice clean job. Like I said, I guess it is just how you are used to thinking. When you are used to flatness needing to be within a thousandth or less, you tend to avoid welding.....or at least do all your machining AFTER welding and stress relieving...

I'm sure its kind of confusing why I have a fitting in a block off plate anyway as most guys are running hard blocked, blocks at this level. I'm trying something new and different in the hopes of keeping a 1000+hp happy and healthy on the track and street

Found another grey silver headliner for a non sunroof and am switching it out for my sunroof headliner in my car. I dyed the headliner black should look alot better then the old one.

Made some more progress on the cage today almost done heres a sneak peak

You bastard! That's what I was planning to do but it seems holeless liners are a rarity. I'll probably end up stuffing cardboard in there or some such.

Haha I just went in the back yard and took it out of a car I had

So with the 5 or 6 projects going on at the same time I thought I would post some interior teaser pics

^ Did you paint/dye those interior pieces? Looks good, im planning on doing my interior black from grey.

I went through the process earlier in the thread with some pics of the products used

Will you know the projects starting to get serious when the cooling system gets its own Turbo

I put one of those on a road race talon one time, rather slick.

I have heard nothing but good things about them, so I'm looking forward to hooking this bad boy up. Just need to find a new radiator

I miss that thing. I'm sure you'll get more use out of it then I will though.

I can't wait to get every together I keep you posted!

Looks amazing. I'm amazed at what you've managed in a full-weight/streetable car and that you're going the 'more streetable but quicker' route.

Will we be seeing you at the Shootout with revised beast?

That is my plan to make my first shootout this year Wish me luck, hopefully I can bring something for them American boys!

We'll all be cheering for you!!

Awesome! This year is looking to possibly the best Shootout yet and with the addition of the extra day it's going to be a blast. You should get your car up on the dyno on the Friday and see what it can do. If not for the cage I bet no one will see the kind of numbers you'll be putting down coming (unless they peep under the hood).

As for bringing something - I'm sure you will. We'll all be rooting for you either way. I know a few of us are on a mission to bring some bling North of the border! Gotta keep up with last year's tremendous showing!

Extra day? What have I missed?

They're doing 3 days this year. Friday at the shop, Saturday is Time Attack, Max Effort & some qualifying, and Sunday is the usual Drags with more runs than usual.

20th Annual DSM/EVO Shootout

I hope you've heard about the all-out 1G AWDAuto Beast Buschur is building for this year's Shootout!

Should be a killer time

Should defnately be.

I'm trying to get Scott Neville from Cold Lake to come over.

Ghislain

Really I'm going to try to get 2 or 3 guys to come down with me so anyone from the west thats interested Email me! That way I will have some help with the driving and pitting on the car.

Where in 'Berta are you located?

Edmonton!

Some people have been asking what the fittings I made are for so here is some more info and pics to clarrify that.

I'm going to be running coolant directly to my head this year so instead of just welding some AN fittings on I decieded to make something that can not only be switched to a different head but also if the AN fitting is damaged that too can be switched out

This is the timing belt side fitting and is a tolorance pressed in fitting


This fitting replaces the stock thermosat housing


This is the timing belt side fitting once it was pressed in the head

Ron,

Don't want to criticize, but would it maybe have been a good idea to have some wrench flats on the pressed in fitting to hold it (eliminate the tendency to rotate) while installing the fitting that goes into it?

I agree, with you Ziggy, but his design does have the one washer & bolt (see groove on the press-fit piece) that will stop it from moving and will probably be more than adequate to the job given that he doesn't need to tighten anything on there too hard - it is aluminum after all!

He could always use a pipe-wrench if necessary, although that's a far less elegant solution and if he's going for looks too, then a pipe wrench would undoubtedly mar the surface.

I guess will find out I'm hoping the fit is tight enough to hold it but you might be right should be putting the motor together shortly will keep you posted

Ron, How about some A/C for the trip down to the shootout? laugh...

Or bust off an 8 with the A/C blasting

AC is long gone man But don't worry my F350's AC is working just fine for the ride down Plus room for 3 other people

Here is a fixture we did up to allow us to drill out bearing for use with aluminum rods. For anyone that doesn't know you need to run a dowel in aluminum rods to keep the bearings from spinning.

Here is a stock 6 bolt rod that was machined flat


Then machined the rod out and pressed in a hardened insert for the drill to ride in




Here is the final version done and tested

I don't know how you recognize your car as a DSM anymore. The things you are doing are just amazing, the pure awesomeness of all the machining.

Really makes me want to get a milling machine and a lathe

Thanks and once again thanks to Randy whos helping me with all my machining and DJ whos helping me with all my suspension and subframe mods! Without them and there knowledge Alot of this custom stuff wouldn't be happening I have had idea's for along time but not the means to make them into reality until now!

As always Ron, amazing work. Keep the updates coming I love watching this build

I think we all love watching this build. Wish you lived close by, would gladly help with the machining...

Ziggy start packing your sh!t your moving to Alberta

LOL, do you have any idea how much sh!t I would have to pack?

Don't worry, I'll watch 'the warehouse' while you're gone

Or open a second store

I have a 26ft enclosed no problem

Here is a tool we made to press the dowels into the Aluminum Rods

Tool and dowel


Dowel inserted into tool


Close up of dowel end of tool


knurled texture on tool

how does it work?

The bronze dowel in the pic needs to be pressed into the Aluminum rod this tool helps to do it without disorting the dowel. You insert the dowel into the tool and then tap the dowel into the rod without touching the smaller ID of the dowel which once in the rod retains the bearin from spinning!

Did you make the bronze dowel?
Anywhere I could read on what/where this needs to be done on an aluminium rod?

No the dowels come with the rods I made the tool to press them in

I would have just used a socket....lol.

Wish I could put aluminum rods in my stroker....

So Ron.

When is your staged injection triggered? Size of injectors?
Do you always roll around on E85?

Running 4 160Lb primary injectors and 4 160lb secondary injectors the secondaries come in at 50% duty cycle. Yes always on E85 love the stuff.

Pretty small socket

Well I pulled the plug this week and parts are ordered things should start coming together soon
Want to say a big thank you to everyone including Myles at ER for a Honda guy your okay Jeff and Lucas and Arron at ER, Tony and his dad, Corey at Brake Man, Steve at SJM, Mike at ETS, Justin at Comp, and Kevin Kiggly, Will at Supertech, Ziggy at RTM and anyone I missed!

Moving more and more away from posting on forums and hosting my build on my FB page, if anyone wants to join please feel free.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/117172561744094/

Came to a depressing realization that even though I started this project way over weight compared to the guys I'm racing against that between my cage and trans I added another 200lbs on to my car

damn I don't have face, can you make the album public?

I'll see if I can I just use my FB account for car related stuff not personal its a good way to keep in touch with other car guys/gals!

More parts arriving shortly and Ill post some more updates up soon been out of town working for the past month

Just wanted to thank Ziggy for rushing me the last of the parts I needed to complete my motor! Thanks again for all your help and great pricing!!!!!

Sorry havent updated in awhile lots of work going on just been real busy got my 25.4 Cert on the weekend so cage is done

Sweet! I've been anxious to see more pics show up in this thread

Cage is cert'd to 7.50's

That's really cool! I am really impressed with your work, I have always been interested in caging my car. How much weight does the cage add to the car?

I would have to calculate it but I'm guessing 200lbs????

I wouldn't recommend it unless you don't use it much for daily. Daily means no helmet and if you were ever to crash the bars would make a nice dent in your head :S I'm sure insurance would be fun to deal with as well for having a roll cage in there. I'm just stipulating, but seems logical. Looks great on a racecar though!

This is a bit extreem but a well built 10 point like I had works well for the street

Unless your building a race car, a cage is a rediculous idea, no matter how u slice it IMO. Ron happens to have a RACE CAR he drives on the street, which is cool and ludachris at the same time.

Plan on running consistent low tens or better? Wanna gut your interior? Wanna take five times as long to get in and out of your car everytime u wanna drive and get a pack of smokes or buy weed or whatever? Build a cage in your daily driver

My 2 cents on the cage comments.

Nice work Ron, its coming along nicely. Carry on.

I have already gutted my interior. Maybe I will look at doing this in the future!

really? U gutted your daily driver? Hard core

Putting a cage in a daily driver is a bad idea. Prepare to be a big heat score.

Well I am sure there is still some more I could do for it to be considered 100% gutted, but I have basically removed everything from the front seats back. My plan was to gut the front but people were steering me away from that because of issues with wet feet and the exposed metal floor, I was thinking bed liner but I am also not sure I have the space in my garage to take all the stuff out and get in and do that. When I get more space I will probably take the time to remove and potentially upgrade the seats and do bed liner in the front so I won't have to worry about wet shoes and such. Plus I keep the mat on the passenger side, I took my out of the drivers side though.

Brian I don't know if you have heard or seen my car yet but it's already pretty obvious. I don't think the cops are observant enough to spot a 6 point cage either, it pretty much follows the lines that are already in the car, unless of course they pull up beside me.

I just got a whole bunch more parts and this thing is starting to come together can't wait will post shortly!

Got a package from English Racing today, big thanks to them and Cory over at the BrakeMan for a wicked light wieght, zero drag setup!

Those brakes are baller LOL

Yeah thanks Eric too bad I had to sell some kidneys to pay for them haha Need something to hold this thing on the line this year!

You really don't think you could hold the car back with properly setup stock breaks and a vac pump?

I do see the weight savings and zero drag as a good advantage though.

No stock brakes won't hold back a 1000hp car thats been proven even these brakes will require a vac pump to assist.

I hope I haven't offended you Ron, but stock brakes hold back fast auto cars just fine. You don't sit at the line with 1000hp, you know that.



Jesse and his brothers all run stock brake setups, and they seem to work just fine for them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scSI39-SiTE

Not sure how he can be on stock brakes running a 8.8?

Been out of town for the last month and a half should have updates soon.

Been among the dead all summer but its time to get this car back up and running stay tuned!

Good to hear you are still alive, can't wait to see the new build!

I was actually hoping to see it at the shootout this year, but still look forward to seeing progress on that beautiful car!

Yeah worked 50 nights straight kind of took the wind out of my sails

But hopefully replenished the wallet?
Anyways, I look forward to seeing progress on your build again!

Sort of before I bought a new Viper

WOW, congrats! Please don't let the new toy keep you from finishing the old one!!

Unfortuantley thats exactly whats its dones but I'm back on track and gonna pound this thing out!

New Aluminum Rod motor With GSC S3's and Kiggly Race Springs!

Do want!!!!

New billet chute lever

Didn't realize cars get pushed around a shop fast enough to need a chute






I wanna see/hear this thing running already!

If I wasn't playing with this all summer it would be running

I don't know about you guys but I think thats a valid reason. I'd have done the same

This car only reminds me of

Oh, I know, I've seen the posts on Facebook! I may be a little jealous on that front. That being said, I'm itching to see what the yellow beast will be capable of!

I think I will be a very happy man when I can:

a) afford a Viper

b) call my brand new Viper my "slow" car

Actually my cheap slow car haha Dam DSM's lmfao

Machined some reducers to reduce 1 5/8ths Chrome Moly tubing down to one 1'' for the front rad support and rear supports. The front rad support is then being held in place by aero quality quick pins as will be the front trans mount! {thumbup}



Picture of the reducer Tig'd in place on the front frame support, the stock front frame rail is still being used to just past the front subframe



Front rad support mounted and held in with quick pins for quick removal

Starting on the custom rear subframe and GT diff!

New front Brake Man setup test fit

Is those the no drag ones?

Jesus Christ that is sexy

Yes light weight low profile zero drag

Thanks and the rears look just as good photo coming soon

They look awesome. I could be wrong but they are not street legal correct? or rather not recommended to be used as a everyday brake set up?

No I wouldn't daily drive or autocross the car with these brakes. The price alone was pretty high but keeping the car streetable and full interior I have to get weight any were I can to compete with guys who's cars are 2200lbs

CF dash?

One hell of a project.

If thats an offer to build me one then the answer is YES!

Would be an interesting project.

I can get my hands on enough fiberglass for cheap to possible take a stab at it, just need a dash, create a mold, figure out how to save weight by properly placing supports and the like...maybe slant the center portion towards the driver like a Supra for more gauge space, turn the passenger portion into something useful too...

Of course, I would only be doing this until my car is "complete". After this winter, I should just have the paint and body to finish up (which will be going to a professional shop), with a mild turbo upgrade the following winter. Other than that, we can talk in a year...if you can wait that long

Easy Andrew... Lets not get carried away

Until I have some rugrats running around me, I need something to occupy my time

I have extra

I'm sure I'll have more than I can handle when the wife is done school.

Some brakets I made for rear suspension points


The start of the Chrome Moly subframe to hold the GT IRS Diff!

What are you doing for rear suspension? Ladder bars? 4-link?

Hell no! As far as I'm concerned your not a true DSM once you go straight axle or no IRS Stock rear suspension but I'm going to make my own lower arms etc.

Good, good. That's what I like to hear. Are you doing anything out of the ordinary with the lower arms, or just the 'standard' custom ones that I've seen here and there on Tuners/Link Forums/etc.?

Btw, when you say 'stock' rear suspension, I assume you mean stock style and that you'll be running some sort of aftermarket spring/coilover? Or, are you actually running stock springs and shocks?

my best guess is a coil over for the adjustability

great work Ron! can't wait to see a vid of your 1st qtr mile pass

Yeah when I'm done you could bolt either the stock arms or my arms up and I'll be running the same JIC coil overs that have been on the car! My subframe will be alot stiffer and also hold the larger and unforunately heavier GT diff. But still keeping it all mitsu baby!

New Dry Sump cover thanks to Tony and Bob Niemczk :thumb:

So got a package in the mail from Justin over at Comp Turbo and I thought my last 74mm triple ball bearing turbo was amazing, made 1000hp at 35Psi and spooled up easily on my 2.3L. Well this new turbo puts that turbo back 10 years this thing is a piece of art! Billet wheel!, Billet center section with triple ball bearings, V - bands on all connections, tap turbo drain hole! Thanks again Justin you truely out did yourself again can't wait to see what kind of power this thing is going to make Been running Comp Turbos since they were ITS with 100% satisfaction and zero failures and amazing performace!!!!

I agree with Johnny, that thing is beautiful. Especially because I have never seen a brand new turbo in person.

Seen lots of turbos before but none like this one I was blown away

I have never seen one that said Race Series on it. They do make such beautiful turbos att to detail shows

Here is a little teaser pic of the first test fit :hellyeah::hellyeah:

Wow does the picture by itself not do it justice for the size it is...can't wait to see you put down on the track!

It looks bigger than the motor itself Don't hurt 4g63!!!

Haba haba!!!

Ok you 'berta boy. You have to make a small effort and bring your ars over the SO next year. We'll all be root'n for ya!!!

Ghislain

^^ True that. Time for the quick 16 class win to come to Canada!!!

Has been done before; just has to happend again.

You our hope Ronnie!!!

Ghislain

Sorry FP, you ain't got nothing on this turbo.

that thing is gona suck in a baby if you're not careful

Thats the plan this year to make it to the SO

Nothing like pressure hey! Thats the goal to compete with the straight up race cars, but beable to cruise around on the street

It looks like someone installed a fan inside of a tuba. Crazy

I might steal this quote Mike!

That is one hell of a goal. Look forward to seeing it happen

Thanks Ziggy! Either way driving on the street I'll still be having more fun with the car then a straight up drag car

It is hard enough for most of the community to even get their cars on the road, not to mention running single digits and still cruzin the streets.

Already been single digits and 160Mph just want 8's Oh and have all the interior, and power widnows and head lights etc! Not a daily driver but a driver non the less.

Some new lower control arms I fab'd up the other day



My tig welding starting to get better

You weld like a pro Ron

Only on a bench though out of position is a total diff animal luckily I have a Friend fellow DSM'er that can weld anything Thanks Kris

Yeah I agree with Alex, those welds look good!

Thanks guys this Tig welding is tough lots going on at one time but it welds so nice and you can pretty much Tig anything

New Chrome Moly sub frame done and mounted in place

Jeebus that's nice!!

Thanks I'll take more pics when its all back together!!!

Can you sneak in a few more pics of the viper in the background?

Oh you want to see the slow car hey Sure I'll post some up

My new toy!



Ran a ton of 11's with this car on regular street tires best being 11.6 and best mph being 128Mph!

Life's gotta be good when you call your viper "the slow car"

Just gorgeous!!

Sorry I should qualify that "slow, cheap" car haha

So I have decided to completely redo every piece of wiring in the car Yes I know I have a sickness haha

5 Stage Peterson Dry Sump Setup

What are you doing for an oil pan?

Just make one!

Turbo is thirsty
Test fitting velocity stack!

Holy shoots that's huge!! Can't wait to see this beast done!

That's no turbo. IT'S A TUBA!!

Going to CAD it and get it CNC'ed or just going to go the sheet metal route?

Only stage 5? sissy

This kit is awesome. Hard to justify the cost of this mod unless you mean business, which Im getting the idea that you do

^ You are just NOW getting that idea???

Nope sheet metal CNC doesn't have any benifts when it comes to an oil pan and I'm on a tight budget Carbon Fiber doors are eating it up

Wait till the CNC'd head and maching intake get here haha Did I mention I hate this dam car

this is....this is a win

9 second car getting into the 8's on a budget...ONLY in the world of DSM's

Hardly a budget in terms of the way a typical dsm'er approaches their car ;P

Haha I guess thats true!

Kind of off topic with the build Ron, but what hood is that on your car? Looks kind of like and Evo 8/9 hood. Its a little aggressive for my taste, but man its nice, and I'll bet you dont have heat soak issues.

Thanks I hate this hood but it gets rid of a ton of heat which is why it's on the car VIS racing is who makes it

Some more updates

Ummmmm Carbon Fiber

Damn son, can't wait to see these things mounted!

How did you make them, use the stock door and mold from that?

Sergio is making them not me they are a stock replacement the window and door hardware can all be reattached

That should look awesome and help with weight

Hopefully will look exactly the same but yes I'm hoping to drop 40lbs ish!

You going with the Lexan glass?

I would like to keep the stock glass if possible I believe its only 12lbs a side but I will check once I take a door apart! I want the door to still be power locks and windows regardless

Got some work done on my first exahsut manifold I've ever done Divided T4 with slip fit merge collector all S/S

Ziggy now carries the Avid motor mounts for 2g's in his webstore

Gorgeous Manifold by the way! How are you going to fit a radiator, intercooler in there? And is it touching the top of the rad support?

I run solid mounts Half rad thanks to Ziggy, and intercooler in front of rad support, and no the rad support doesn't touch when its bolted up!

Aww ok, so deceiving of you to throw on the OE mount for test fitting

Also wondering how you're going to route the exhaust.

Are you dumping out the front bumper and running a 3 or 4" to the back?

I made my solids out of OEM mounts! Exhaust is going to be something totally different stat tuned!

Different view

That is just insane!

You're going to suck up a dog or cat running across the road with that turbo.

Very cool!!

Poor squirrels and chipmunks

I will implement some kind of animal restraint system pre turbo

CF hatch plus FAL polycarbonate windows is some 34 lbs wieght savings

Just need to still decide if I can get away with the windows in a road driven car ....

Haha Ron, everytime you guys bring up the pet thing I think of that guy that hit a dog and it got knocked out and stuck in the license plate. Didn't find it till he got home.

What dog? Poor thing.

Yeah he slammed on the brakes and it sounded like he hit it but when he went to find it he couldn't, got home and someone pointed out that he had a dog stuck in his bumper.
Dog was actually fine!

Making head way again finally!

Still on track to be at the Shootout?

No not this year but would like to get some serious testing done before the winter.

Damn...one of these years I REALLY want to SEE that beast!...and I have no plans to vacation in Alberta!

Took the words out of my mouth...except for maybe visiting Alberta to hit the slopes in the dead of winter!

I'm reenergized and ready to knock this thing out, have some trick parts being made and should be really cool once it starts to come together! Also thinking of a color change and suggestions

My go to is always orange!









I think I uhhh...got my point across

And because it's awesome:

Tood Meunier's 10s Orange 1G

this colour combo may be overdone, but I really want to put it on my 1g.

There is an Audi R8 intown with a similar combo, looks killer,

My vote is any colour other then yellow

Close to the color it used to be what color is that?

Then vote doesnt'count

Try the Fanta Chrome Blue, or on the complete opposite end of gloss, Matte Pearl White Wrap.

NO wraps

a Gun metal grey would be sweet

Actually ya, like that rx7 that was posted above. That is a gun metal grey

I like the yellow.. but if you are gonna change.. go with something unique.

Something unique like "Yellow"!!!

Ghislain

Paint it invisible.. like James Bond's car in Die Another Day. It's the only paint job that could match the awesomeness of the rest of this car.

Start molding your panels in clear plastic!

Always reminds me of

lmfao

But dude, the horn plays La Cucaracha!

I still vote for yellow!

Not sure what I'll go with yet but feel like a change hmmmmm!

Looking for a couple 97 and up auto cores too if anyone has anything laying around

Some pics of the manifold all Tig'd out

Flawless Victory!

Now that is some SERIOUSLY IMPRESSIVE WELDING!!!

Wow Ron! Just WOW!

So that's going to support the tuba? Or will you need braces?

Turbo is hard mounted to the frame And thanks my buddy Dean actually welded it not me so I have to redirect the credit for the welding part of it

Well, regardless who welded it, it's a work of art.

And holy sh!t it's HUGE!

Just out of curiosity, do you know how much it weighs?

Beautiful!

At what point do you need dual wastegates? or is the second flange for something else?

It's a twin scroll right. So dual gates is like 50+ psi.

Holy shits! that's mad!
I will have to do some research on Twin Scroll, other than how the exhaust gasses flow through it I don't know too much.

This is the kind of car CROWDS gather to watch a dyno run.

I wouldn't be shocked if it's into the 1000hp's.

He hasn't even posted pictures of his FRONT-mounted dry sump setup on here yet. Just wait for that!

This build is ridiculous. I love it.

It was already around a 1000hp on the old setup

Fine.

I'll BE shocked if it's 1,500 HP!

I've only ever ran 35 Psi made around a 1000hp and you need dual gates becuase of the twin scroll as you have to keep both sides seperate until there through the turbo!

I'm hoping to be up 200whp from the old setup

Some dry sump porn I blieve this is the first ever front mount 5 stage dry sump system on a 4G63 :){thumbup}

i don't think the vise grips will hold all that exhaust.. better get some bolts and gaskets ron ..

Looks good. Are you possible gonna think of coming to "race the base" in 2014 or will i have to be the only dsm there putting the mustangs,and high end cars in place.

Wow!

If I can find away to get the auto trans to live in od yes if not then just 1/4 mile for me I think I could do real good in the mile event

Did you have any difficulty getting those nuts on the exhaust studs with the new manifold? Looks tight! but DAMN it looks good.

I ran a cheap ebay tubular before I bought the FP RACE MANI, and I gotta say..the simplicity of that mani makes removal and installation a breeze.

Mind you, I'll only ever make HALF the power you're making, and I'm still a whole forged motor away from that happening lol

Nope everything slips right on!

Unrelated here is a video of Viper running 10.8@133.5Mph with a corrected altitude of 3200ft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZhzez3YEVE

Wish my slow car was that 'slow'!

What have you done to the Viper?

Car is just exhaust and gears and a few tricks of mine , still running stock air box and stock papper filter!

Shorter gear set? Different rear end ratio?

Also, when can we expect this?:


Underground Twin-Turbo Viper V10 by Kyle Tomita, on Flickr

Dont think I could destory my car like that its not a drag car

Then how about some shots of it on a road course!

Different car but yeah I want a road race setup

Again asking if anyone has a 97 up auto there looking to sell?

I found two or three out west using www.car-part.com

But they weren't cheap.

Forgot about RTM... I think they have one:
https://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/home.php?cat=1506

Theirs is a 95-96

was just a thought.

Was certainly a nice thought, I didn't mean to offend. Unfortunately..



I just thought I'd save him the time of searching RTM's site.

haha, I forgot about that much. Good call, friend.

I sent a local place an email thanks for the link I would like to grab a few and start doing my own experimenting

Hey Ron,
How is the tiging coming along? Done anything recently that you can show us?

Should get someone work I. This weekend

No offence taken man its all good!

Figured out the Rad mounting and ordered up a badass ETS intercooler, and got the chute mount welded in things are starting to progress again!

Only 353 days till the next Shootout. Plenty of time to get 'er done.

6" core, right?

Couple of updates got the new intercooler from ETS and fits pretty good for them fabricating it 1700km away using only my measurements

Damn dude, that thing is the size of my mini fridge.

I'm guessing there will just be a straight coupler from the turbo to the intercooler; do you think you're going to have issues with engine movement? I know you've got solid mounts, and I imagine there's less movement during shifts with the slushbox, but I feel like it might not have enough give to it..

I'm quite sure you've got it covered; just curious

There will be a wiggens styly clamp between the to! Motor should have very little movement front to back! It dbls as a mini fridge for beer

Ah okay cool. Those are like vbands but with a rubber seal right?

Sort of they allow more flex then a v band and are quick on and off!

Nice image:

Exactly Bryan!

How much boost are those things good up to?

Very nice progress Ron! Really enjoy looking at those pics!

That's got to be one of the biggest FMIC's on a dsm in this part of the world lol

Thanks its go big or go home time! Want to rep Canada at the shootout some year haha

I beleive 200 psi

So got some more progress done on the car! ETS 6"core is now mounted and ready to go, got the turbo to intercooler piping done, and the dry sump Tank mounted! Big thanks to ETS and Comp Turbo that billet turbo looks like its ready to do some serious damage!

Looks good Ron!

I assume that gear that's coming off your cam is for the sump?

Correct that well drive the oil pump, and possibly fuel pump

Which fuel pump is that? I haven't heard of that.

Mechanical fuel pump!

I see your turbo placement is super low.
Mine is somewhere inbetween yours and the stock position, and at times if I fill the oil up too far in the pan, at idle I will have a backup and burn oil.
I am guessing with the dry sump, you don't need to worry about this?

educate me

Yeah the plan it have the drysump pulling oil from the turbo so drainage won't be an issue!

When we turboed saturns... Some guys used electric fuel pumps to pull the oil thru the turbo and pump it back to the valve cover.

Not sure if a fuel pump would work or is ideal but there are special pump for that application if you need one!

Ya the fuel pump worked well. I never used it myself bu we got the idea from the supra forums.apperantly some of the first 1000hp supras were doing it. There prolly is much better pumps to use... But this was 10 years ago. I beleive the fuel pump was a stock inline pump. Maybe even from another supra.

This board is being real glitchy follow my build on FB https://www.facebook.com/groups/117172561744094/397096667085014/?notif_t=group_comment#!/groups/117172561744094/

Feel free to post on the RTM forums also....we would welcome a nice build thread there...

Dear Ron,

Build a rocket ship already and stop making everyone else unfathomably jealous

+1

Funny thing is... All i ever see on his facebook... Is viper viper viper!

Yeah I am with Jay, after some searching I was able to find some pictures of the yellow beast.

That link didn't work that my build page on fb Rons talon page should beable to search it.

It runs the Talon doesn't haha just saying

Aslong as you keep refering to the viper as your slower daily driver lol.

Fixed it for you Jay

Newest sponsor Carbonetics just stepped up to support my build so more cool carbon coming my way soon

Nice.. I have a carbonetics intake.

I have been keeping an eye on their facebook, but they don't update 1g stuff on there

My intake is originally from a Audi.

Some Carbon Fiber Doors Thanks Sergio at Carbonetics!

Nice!! What the weight difference?
I hear that the doors are the best weight savings.

I believe bare there 14 lbs, I will wiegh them once the glass and locks and such are in. My stock doors with door beams removed are around 79 lbs. I'm hoping close to 40 bls a side for 80 lbs total and still have functioning power locks and windows with glass

That sounds amazing!! Keep us updated really curios as to what the final weight is, 80lbs is impressive!

I know this maybe a stupid question, But did 2G's come with manual windows?

No and I dont'think you would safe much if any with manual windows theses days anyway the motor is pretty small Plus I'm lazy and have a ton of cage in the way of a window crank

Some 2g's did come with manual windows/locks.

Got bored doing wiring so finished up some fab work on the weekend. Big thanks to Kris for helping me with some of the more difficult alumiunum stuff{thumbup} Pretty proud of myself I cut apart my old Moroso oil pan that was damaged and cut the sump etc out of it and made my own dry sump pan! All welding was done by myself on this part so be gentile on me haha {thumbup}

Got the lower intake piping welded out and the Wiggin's style clamp on and wow are these things the cats ass, positive lock, quick disconnect {thumbup}

Starting to make some progress its almost back to looking like its almost a car stage again! {thumbup} A ton of work left but def helps the motifation when you start looking at something more then a chassis!

Looking awesome Rob! Keep at it! Don't loose momentum..

I have to ask though, because every picture you have is from this angle..I'm not saying there's anything wrong with looking at such a beautiful turbo and intercooler...but how is the rest of it coming along?

Did you end up mounting your fabbed subframe?

haha the subframe and new diff are in and mounted I thought I posted pics let me see what I have I can post some up!

This is an auto right??

Correct Auto has added another 200lbs to my already heavy setup so Im'trying my best to get this thing down alittle in weight.

Im gonna cut down on the beers before next season!! See if I can shave off 25lbs of weight reduction!

Well got the exhaust all fab'd up and think it turned out pretty good and managed to Tig it all out myself

Beautiful work Ron!! Love seeing your welding updates!!

Thanks man the day I completed my oil pan I was like dam now I can do aluminum it was like wow just opened up so many more fabrication possiblities! Starting to like the fab side as much as the car side of this project!

Once the hood is on I think it will be pretty stealth

Until you start accumulating small animals attached to your front bumper where your turbo pulls in air.

That might attract some attention

Mmmmm

Yellow 2gb talon!



That is my dream car right there... With my wheels and CF hood.


Is it canary?

More worried about small children but you bring up a good point about animals too

Its a GM yellow and won't be yellow for much longer big changes coming up

good...yellow belongs on porche or ferrari only!

Oh no way... Ferraris should be red.... Only red... But any fast curvy car can be yellow. First car I every helped restore was a yellow 57 chevy. I myself would go with a flat yellow with black wheels and spoiler/roof and tinted lights and windows. but only 2gb talon.

Yellow is a slow colour.

What's next Ron?

It's looking phenomenal!!!

Oh slow cars only hey Never know it might stay yellow, but as of now I plan for a change

Kidding of course!

I like it. Simply because it's rare and unique. Also because I like to imagine how my car would look in other colours and make my decision for my next colour that way as well.

Not to thread jack but for the longest time I've always wanted a black '99 gsx.

Then when I bought the car (in silver, my lease favourite colour of all), I figured I might explore other options.

But in the end, if I decide on something else...I'll still always want a black '99 gsx. So why not just be done with it and go black!?!

I'll eventually start a thread on that next season.

Keep up the good work! It's entertaining!

LOL..yep, slow Euro trash. your bad ass ride deserves better then a 'bumble bee' theme.

Hey... I like what I like!

Id say keep it yellow but get a CF hood. Your hood is cool but the CF takes away from all the yellow.

Still looking for auto AWD trans guys need a couple spares Don't want to drive 40hrs to the shootout with one trans!

Test fitting aluminum exhaust to make sure it clears the custome aluminum trans brace And yes that is an aluminum rod off a 600 cubic inch chev

T Case brace not trans

Haha, very creative!

Where does the aluminum portion of the exhaust begin? Just behind the turbo?

After the downpipe yes!

Yeah definitely creative, looks cool!

Worst is no one well ever see it on the car but oh well I think it turned out good

You can bet that when any of us see the car that we will be crawling under to check it out!

HAHA LMFAO awesome

Rent a uhaul trailer and put a hitch behind the viper. It should have enough power to haul your dsm around!

I have my carbon fiber hood, and old intercooler up for sale as well as my Weldon 2345 fuel pump and fuel pump controller!

Was looking at the chute lever that came with my chute and decided to change it up alittle


Think this one looks a lot nicer


Then while I was at it thought I might as well make a new detachable chute mount and light weight chute holder

Driving down the 401, your friend in the passenger seat says "hey what's this lever do?" and before you can stop them...

Yes, detachable is good

I think they would be to busy holding the f@ck on to pull the handle haha Jeremy!

Cut up my old drive shaft loop and am going to make it a one piece and mount it right to the chassis