Drums of E85/E98/Race Fuel

I'm going to be phoning around looking into purchasing (55gal) drum(s) of E85/E98/various Sunoco Race Fuels...I will update with pricing as I receive it.

Just curious who would be interested.

Currently going to get pricing on E85 and E98 from Ignite Racing Fuels and E85R/260GTX/Optima/Various other Sunoco Race Fuels from Kidd Fuels.

As far as shipping and delivery is concerned, I have access to an industrial dock/unit (family business) that I can have the order shipped to, but delivery/pickup will need to be sorted out.

See here for Sunoco fuel details: http://www.racegas.com/fuel/index

I am totally interested in some E85. one thing you/we should inquire about is the legality of keeping a 55 gallon drum in your residence, your local by-laws and home insurance company will prob not like this at all.

Interested in several 55 gallon drums of E98. I'm pretty serious about this too. Let's get serious buyers in this thread only, people who want it and are willing to pay for it, not people who are just thinking about it and don't know what the hell to do with it

I live 1 hr away from a ethanol PLANT. I could look into pricing too. Also my boss races trucks so maybe he can get a deal with all the fuel he buys.

Let us know what you find...only thing will be getting it shipped from you to us, especially given the nature of the product and that it needs special shipping.

Just spoke with the local vendor at Ignite, he was on the road so I shot him off an email and hope to hear back either later today or tomorrow. Their products are shipped straight from the plant in the USA, and can be drop-shipped and/or picked up at the vendors location.

Spoke with a sales rep at Kidd Fuels, he's going to be getting me some pricing on a number of different fuels (E85-R, 260GTX, Optima, MaxNOS, HCR Plus, Standard, etc.). With Kidd, we can do either pick up or have it shipped as well. Once I get pricing on the drums and figure out who's actually serious we can discuss logistics.

My workplace has just started dealing Shellbourne race fuels recently. We got a lot of pressure from our 8- and 7-second (or less) customers to get an account with them; apparently it's pretty good stuff. They do a lot of custom mixing too.

Only the boss and one other counter staff deals with it, but I'd be happy to make some inquiries for you guys when I get back from vacation on Monday.

Edit: Fixed spelling. Also, link for fuel.

That would be awesome.

They don't seem to do any ethanol/ethanol blends but the 102-118 octane would be of interest, depending on price and shelf life...and volatility. A lot of the race fuels are incredibly volatile...ethanol is not. Something to keep in mind for those planning to store these.

Yeah we pick up from them weekly as most guys tend to use the gas they buy within a week or two of buying it.

They don't currently do any ethanol. They do make 99.9% methanol but I'm not sure if anybody would be interested in that.

Methanol requires even MORE fuel than ethanol. Best be prepared to run some MONSTER injectors for even small turbos. (Probably 1400-1600s for a 16G variant turbo).

But yeah, let me know what the pricing is on some of the various 102-118 octane gases are. Don't care if leaded or unleaded, whatever's cheaper (yeah yeah, go ahead and make the joke I know you want to).

For some of my customers, I'll increase the list price that's printed on the bill so that they think they're getting a better deal. I'm pretty sure if you were one of my customers, you would fall into that category

I would be interested in e85. I've always wanted to try it.

Appreciate the thought. Remind me to give you some Marvin Gaye music next time I see you. It's about the closest thing to soul you'll ever get



As have I. My interest has been especially re-piqued after this weekend at the Shootout. After talking to Kiggly and reading many more threads on it, it seems like the single quickest and easiest way to get WAY more power out of a setup.

Biggest downside is a short shelf life and lack of availability here in Canada. That and the larger fuel requirements.

But...you just got a nice new set of 2150's, so you'll manage

Any movement on this?

I just contacted them yesterday, will give them a day or two to respond. If I don't hear back by tomorrow I will call them back first thing Monday morning.

Just got an email back from the guy at Ignite:

Ignite E85 - $38/20L Pail or $240/drum
Ignite E98 - $37/20L Pail or $220/drum
Ignite 108 Green - $39/20L Pail or $234/drum
Ignite 114 - $38/20L Pail or $240/drum

I am waiting to hear back to confirm whether these are 45gal (~171L) or 55gal (~208L) drums.



Keep in mind, these prices do not include shipping or handling.

If we order enough, we can probably get a price break on this a bit, but I'm not sure. Either way, it's cheaper than Regular Gas for any of these if you buy it by the drum.

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Also, just spoke to the guys from Kidd Fuels regarding the Sunoco stuff - he should have pricing to me by tomorrow and if not, Monday. The guy at Kidd said if we were to get an order in by Tuesday we could probably have this by Friday.

And although you probably know this if you're serious about purchasing any of this stuff, for those who don't, with regular (non-ethanol/methanol/alcohol) fuels, the octane rating is the number given (e,g, 108, 114, etc.) whereas with Ethanol the number is the percent of ethanol in the blend. So E85 is 85% ethanol whereas E98 is 98% ethanol. The octane rating of E85 is usually given to be between 100-110 and for E98, between 120-130.

The beauty of buying ethanol-based fuels this way (vs. at a pump) besides the price discount is that you know you're getting 85% (or 98%) ethanol fuel EVERY time. We don't deal with it here since we can't get E85 at the pumps, but they can call it E85 with as little as 70% ethanol in it, which is typically what it dips down to for 'winter blends' at gas stations in the States, due to ethanols poor cold-startability. This can be enough of a variance to cause blown motors if not accounted for. Don't need to worry about that with this stuff

Says 208(55gal) in the chart. Wish I was closer, I'd get in on this.

I think the chart is Salomon's creation, it lists BOTH sizes

Ziggy would be correct.

Got pricing on some of the Sunoco Race Fuels, it's like 4 times the price...still waiting to hear on their E85,though, but I highly doubt it'll be cheaper.

Will post details soon

Okay, so it is indeed 55Gal drums (as I thought). Just waiting to hear back on lead time for this stuff.

Here is some pricing I got back from Kidd Fuels for the Sunoco Race Fuels...he couldn't get pricing on the stuff that I really wanted to know about (E85 in particular) but said he's going to try and track it down and get back to me.



Obviously the Ignite stuff is looking like a steal of a deal in comparison to the Sunoco Race Fuels.

Once I hear back on lead time, I will make a new thread for those interested in actually ordering.

I like the pricing on the Ignite Fuels. I'd really like to know how much including shipping and handling.

I really like their pricing too.

I've got an email out to him, just waiting to hear back.

Alright, so I heard back from Kidd Fuels regarding the Sunoco Race Fuels E85-R:



He said:






Also, Jeremy Gilbert was kind enough to get us pricing on Shellbourne Fuels:



This is what he said:







Given all this, Ignite still seems to be the best option, but this guy is slow to respond. Just shot him off another email and will call him this afternoon if I don't hear back by then. Once I do and get final, IN CANADA/shipped pricing on Ignite I will make a separate thread for an order.

I'm out, the pricing is too rich for my blood this season..

Let me know how it goes.

The Ignite stuff is cheaper than 87 octane pump gas, see here But yes, it is getting late in the season. We'll see what the guy says when he gets back to me.

I also contacted my home insurance company, needless to say they are NOT cool with me keeping ANY amount of race fuel in my garage (my garage is attached to my house). standard regulation jerry cans are fine tho.

Did you contact your car insurance company to let them know that your car is modded too, maybe you shouldn't really be driving a modded car either

I have no problems keeping drums of gas at home.

Just so everyone knows, VP fuels is still available in Canada. Other than the option of running E95/E98, I like to stick with VP fuels.

I didn't have to, they forced me to get the car fully inspected and documented by a reputable automotive inspector, took a few hours as they wanted pictures and receipts off all major modifications..

I'm covered

Perhaps you should clear things up with your insurance company...just in case

Last I checked on the HTA, most modifications are illegal. Not sure how your the only exception

I don't need to check sh!t with my insurance company as I'm not worried. I'll keep drums of race gas in the basement and my attached garage

A wise man once told me...you don't need insurance for what you can easily and affordable replace, my car and my home are two things I can't afford to replace.

Insurance company's are looking for ANY excuse to not pay out (don't give them one), just look at the poor bastards who had their houses flood recently.

Yes your premiums will be higher but at least your properly covered.

Well I guess no race gas for you

Sal, I'll take 2-3 drums if the price is right.

I'm not the only one, most of my car buddies gave full disclosure to their insurance company's, I'm not an insurance agent so I can't comment on why they insure me after they documented modifications.

We'll talk.

Like I said, once I hear back from this guy with final pricing I'll setup a purchase thread and get this ordered up.




Terry...unless it specifically states on your contract with the insurance company that you're not allowed to keep it there, then you're safe. They can tell you whatever they want over the phone, but if it's not explicitly stated outright, it's not an issue.

Also, a sealed drum is safer than a jerry can, and ethanol is less volatile than gasoline.

I completely agree, but as soon as my adjuster heard 55 gallon drum he wasn't sympathetic to what type of fuel was in it.

Although I do have a shed about 30 feet from my house in my back yard...

Appreciate it Solomon

Hmmm, I wouldn't risk it man as it is still on your property. Might want to call them back and ask if you can keep the 55 gallon drum in the shed

I would just put it in the shed. That would have been my first choice, personally. If it's not near any other structures there really should be no issues and I wouldn't ask insurance about it. At the very worst case scenario, you lose a shed...and the chances of that happening (especially in a properly vented shed) are next to nothing.

So Sal, did you confirm that it was a 55 gal drum, cause you said you were going to check it?
Also can you explain to a newb what 108 green means? obviously 108 octance, but not sure what green is?

Yes, I confirmed higher up that it is 55gal drums as I expected/suspected.

And, 108 green is just the name of the fuel. I assume it's probably just green in colour (race fuels come in all sorts of funky colours). On their website it's just called 108 and shows green on the barrel.

Did this actually happen? I would be interested in a couple drums of e85.

Hasn't happened yet. Will be re-starting this within the upcoming few months for those who are interested.

Wow. Only $38/20L for 114 octane?
Not bad at all. I'd be down to buy some e85/98, but that wont happen for a while, till I can buy bigger injectors.

The 114 would be great though. Depends on shipping though.

I'm still down for a couple drums of E85 if the price is right.

I plan to use my ID1000s at a base fuel pressure of 70psi. Should be good for 70lbs/min @ 80% duty cycle. The advantages of running high impedance injectors

What pump(s)(and fuel setup) are you running that can flow that much fuel at that much pressure? I'd imagine your fuel pressure will be nearing 110+psi by the time you're flowing 70lbs/min if your base is 70.




I'll send out a few more emails in the next few weeks to get pricing on this stuff and hopefully get in on the first Spring shipment.

Walbro 255hp intake with a Bosch 044 inline. I dont plan on more than 30psi. That should be plenty for 600awhp on E85

Count me in if this goes down

I would be down for some 114.

Would be interested in this as well.

I've sent out emails regarding this again.

I'm hoping to actually hear back from Ignite this time as they have the best prices (by far) and have a new sales rep that will hopefully be more responsive.

Will post back with details once more information is gathered.

So here's the deal:

- Pricing on IGNITE fuels has gone up a bunch since last summer but is still way less expensive than anyone I could find in Canada.
- IGNITE prices INCLUDE shipping to Canada (1 location) based on # of barrels. Shipping cost is the same for 8/12/16 barrels. Less for 4 barrels, but more overall per barrel.
- IGNITE prices at the end include 13% tax, and are in USD.

- Sunoco prices do NOT include shipping but would be much less expensive to ship or could even be picked up in Newmarket.
- Sunoco prices at the end include 13% tax and are in USD.
- Sunoco 260GTX (98 Octane) is NOT E98.

I am awaiting to here from IGNITE on what brokerage fees/duties will cost so I can get a more accurate dollar figure for everyone but I can't imagine that it would end up making the barrels more expensive than the Sunoco prices. Keep in mind, the order should ideally be in multiples of 4, as they come in pallets of 4.

If anyone is still interested I will continue pursuing this further (I am anyways, but if no one is interested, I will not make a hard push for this as I will be out of country/continent most of the summer and will not need any for myself this year).

So this is what the email I just received said:



The math is below.



So basically, you can get E85, E98, 108, or 114 fuel for the price of around $1.78/L, USD.

That is a fraction of the price from the Sunoco fuels.

I have asked him how he would like payment and when he can get this fuel here.

Let me know who is serious about this. I don't want any maybes - if you're actually willing to put money in for this please let me know. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to disclose anything here.

I will be PM'ing the guys who expressed interest if I don't hear from them in the next bit in case they've missed these updates.

Not bad the price is still cheaper than a 55 gallon drum of C16.

I'll 100% take 2, possibly 3 drums of E98 please.

Fuel Order List

1. Reza - 2-3 Drums of E98
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Anyone else interested please add yourself to the list so that I can get the ball rolling on this so you're all set for the summer/fall.

If I pick up a barrel of 114 or 108, would it still be eligible for the group buy?

Yup. It is for ANY of the 4 fuels listed.

Also, payment is by Mastercard or VISA. To make things simpler, and because I cannot cover a $6000 bill on a student VISA, Bruce has said that he is fine charging each person individually their proportional amount.

This will save a lot of hassle trying to collect and organize funds, so once we get the order ready to be put through I will work out the fine details with Bill, get everyone their #'s and then you will be responsible for paying Bill. Charges are not put through until after the order ships.

Fuel Order List

1. Reza - 2-3 Drums of E98
2. Kevin - 2 Drums E98
3. Antoine W. - 2 Drums of 114 (Salomon's Friend)
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Hey Salomon,
Could you please ask your contact if Ignite uses toluene or xylene?

I'll ask.

This still happening?

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I still have the information, just haven't gotten enough interest.

So far people I know who are interested: Stephan T., Reza M., Kevin K. Dio L., Salomon P.

If you guys are serious, let me know, but the commercial address (w. dock) that I had to ship it to is no longer available at the current time so if someone has a place we can ship it (if it happens) then it would be much appreciated.

how long would fuel sit if I can arrange spot?

unopened should be fine until you open it.

Do you mean how long until people pick it up? If so, it would have to be arranged depending on who/how many barrels.

If it's with regards to how long it's good - unopened it's good a minimum of 2-3 years if not more, usually. Opened, it will last a while but wouldn't let it sit open for years.

If it seems like this will actually happen, let me know. I will likely be able to sweet talk my boss into letting you use our loading dock at work.

I won't be asking her for any favours until I'm fairly confident that it's going to happen, though

E85 is now available at the pump in West Vancouver, BC

Arcade Station
4370 Marine Drive
West Vancouver, BC
604-912-0101

Thanks Amir but everyone in the buy is in Ontario.

There is a station in Ottawa that sells e85.


Macewen on bank street.
http://www.macewen.ca/retail-gasolinec-stores/find-a-location/macewen-bank--catherine.aspx

If this is actually happening, I would for sure take a drum or two of E98 if there is any way to get it to me in Saskatchewan... I would potentially know a few other people interested as well.

We are able to ship 208 litre drums of E85 straight from our station anywhere in canada. Cost is dependent on where the drums are going. Shipping is cheapest on minimum 4 drum purchase.

email info@arcadestation.ca if you are interested.

Amir,
Can you please post up some more info.
What other types of fuel can you get?

They have a website at least: http://arcadestation.ca/

we are only selling E85, diesel, and regular at the pump. So it's the E85 we can ship in drums if you need. Quite a bit cheaper than VP or ignite

Did anyone end up buying any e85 ? I'm looking for a drum.