Air flow

Posted By: ziad akkaoui

Air flow - March 30, 2002 12:04 am UTC

k i was cleaning my garage today when i came across a hair dryer. so i started thinking. say i take that hair dyer apart and insatll the blower from the dryer right beside my air filter. hook up the power and presto you got air being fed to the engine. now the only problem i can think of is the turbulince(sP) caused by the blower. i just want to know if anybody knows more on this kind of thing, and if this thing would help out my nt.
Posted By: Scharok Nieknam

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 12:20 am UTC

you are joking right?
Posted By: Len Randall

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 01:07 am UTC

hey, another idea for you....Put the hairdryer on the exhaust pipe....use it to pull the air through the engine increasing air flow.
Posted By: ziad akkaoui

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 04:34 am UTC

no i'm serious, it will be like a fake ram air. i'm going to try it! you could laugh all u want, but hey i'm not going to lose anything by trying. and it seems like a good idea
Posted By: Amin Ahmadi

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 04:35 am UTC

Hey
was a joke?

if not then therewas a thread about Electric Turbo or Super charger.

But well, just an idea. Have you ever compared the amount of ait that a engine uses that one that a hair dryer gives out?

2.0 L Air / 2 RPMS doing like 3 KRPM you have something like
3000 Litres of Air per minte that is like 50 Litres per second.(I hope my calculations are right, that seems too much! smile )

COmpare that with a dryer!

A dryer would block the way ONLY!

But search for that thread about electric chargers. There are some interesting stuff there.

AMin
Posted By: Len Randall

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 05:04 am UTC

one more problem, the hair dryer runs on 120 volts AC, the car runs on 12volts DC...I quess you could put an inverter in to take care of that...

You could probly get .001psi of boost with this setup....

There is electric turbos out there that supposedly give you a little extra, but sorry, no hair dryer conversions that I've heard of.
Posted By: Bart Cieslikiewicz

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 05:13 am UTC

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Posted By: Len Randall

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 05:39 am UTC

oh, and a 1600watt inverter will cost you about $1000.00.... wink
Posted By: Shawn Petrie

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 05:58 am UTC

Quote
it will be like a fake ram air
for about half of the time your going to tinker around figuring out this isnt going to work, you can make your own home made REAL ram air system.

my advice would be to unhook the air box, then unscrew and remove it. look at the hole comming up through the frame.....you will think of something.

i did this mod for about $10 and it was well worth it. took me about 45 min to install.
Posted By: Greg Stewart

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 06:05 am UTC

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Originally posted by Len Randall:
oh, and a 1600watt inverter will cost you about $1000.00.... wink
Actually you can get a 3000 Watt inverter for that much, I priced em up at work! tongue smile
Posted By: ziad akkaoui

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 05:41 pm UTC

converting the electricity is easy my dad can do it! and the motor of the blower will be changed and swaped with a bigger one. it's not like what u guys are thinking of. this thing is really powerfull. anyways i started working on it and i am 100% sure it's going to work. nways when it's done then i can tell if it was woth the work. but like i said before i'm not losing anything. all of u r thinking about a small little thing that cannot give me much air. the thing i'm talking about is really powerfull.
Posted By: Shawn Petrie

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 06:01 pm UTC

well then, good luck.....and please keep us (me) updated.
Posted By: Scharok Nieknam

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 06:46 pm UTC

this posts bears a remarkable similarity to a person's post few years ago about putting Helium in their tires. :rolleyes:
Posted By: Shawn Petrie

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 10:42 pm UTC

helium in their tires??? i dont get it! were they trying to lighten the car? or make it fly? spy
Posted By: Len Randall

Re: Air flow - March 30, 2002 10:56 pm UTC

I like that idea....except they should have taken the tank of helium into the car, closed all the windows and opened the heluim tank filling the cabin of the car..... lol
Posted By: ziad akkaoui

Re: Air flow - March 31, 2002 04:30 pm UTC

Well I just finished up the mod and I can say the throttle response improved dramatically, and it idle more smoothly, but didn't see much improvement at higher speeds! It was worth the time.
Posted By: Amin Ahmadi

Re: Air flow - April 01, 2002 12:31 am UTC

1:
For the engineer who tried to piss off this yound creative member of the club
what is 1600 watts?
That is about at most 100 watts for the motor and 1500 watt heater
and most dryer have 12 volt motors with voltage reducer using the heater somehow.

But Ziad,
Was that a "hair dryer" and did you have the whole air going throw that. I bet $5000 if you have the whole air going via the dryer fan you would LOSE power BADDD.

but if that was just pushing air in for its own by the side without blocking anything, tell us what the wattage and structure was. if it's anything under a 200 watts fan it doesn't do anything for crying out load

RAM air would do you MUCH better. Remvoing the air filter would be just great!(not safe)

get a direct pipr from intake elbow to the front of the car. I don't think that yeilds anything under 10 HP. (How much HP is it for K&N??)

Great things come from small ideas
like the turbo itself
Amin
Posted By: ziad akkaoui

Re: Air flow - April 01, 2002 01:16 am UTC

no no, it's just something on the side, i have a hacked air can and k&n along with a catback, but the i just placed the blower in the empty space. look at the pics! picwith blower no blower
Posted By: Peter Tarach

Re: Air flow - April 01, 2002 06:06 am UTC

eek Some times I sit back and wonder...
Posted By: Amin Ahmadi

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 02:10 am UTC

If I am allowed to make one comment here that would be this,

All the physics I know is telling me that if that was a stationary system (not a car) this had a negative effect,
You ask why?

and I say, because You are lowering by pressure over the filter. You are speeding the air and making a hell lot of chaos in the flow. so the flow in to the filter indeed decrease.
also that Motor is getting power from the Alternator

And this is a Car:
and this system has weight.

You get twice that much "power" if you take out your AC or anyother thing you think is useless in the car.

Innovative though,

but Try RAM airing, it should give some power if it's designed right at high speeds

If I was once to take a car for a quarter a mile drag race, I would probabely do that with almost no engine mode but only lightening.
Posted By: Shaun Oriold1

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 02:16 am UTC

I posted a while back, "what was boost" well I never really got any good responses. I did however learn that atmospheric pressure is 14.7LBS. I'm guessing that if this blower is to produce any boost then it must be able to move a weight of approx. 14lbs. Maybe it makes more sense to me since I have been drinking gin for the better part of 4 hours. But it sems logical. Is that possible with a hair dryer??

If its not producing any boost, than its probally more restricting than doing good.??

Probally not a great idea, But its a start.
Posted By: Len Randall

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 03:13 am UTC

look at the picture, you cant create boost with that setup.
Posted By: Waldo Calderon

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 04:47 pm UTC

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Originally posted by Shawn Petrie:
helium in their tires??? i dont get it! were they trying to lighten the car? or make it fly? spy
Reduces the weight of the rotating mass. I've heard of people using nitrogen (No not liquid nitrogen) but never helium. I suppose it cause it is alot less dense then air and the tire sealing against the wheel is not enough to keep it in. I'm no engineer though.
Posted By: Steve Kinnaird

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 05:26 pm UTC

Nitrogen is used becasue it doesn't expand as much as it heats up (compared to regular old fashioned air..)

That way, the pressure in the tires stays more consistant.
Posted By: Ghislain Goudreau

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 08:08 pm UTC

I tried Nitrogen last Summer. Difference was noticeable (Pressure did not increase as much as with "Good old Air") but I still needed to adjust Tire Pressure a little bit after the Tire warmed up.

Just seemed to be a little more stable but was no miracle...

Ghislain.
Posted By: Shawn Petrie

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 08:13 pm UTC

thanks for the explaination waldo, and steve but i still dont get it.

confused as waldo stated, helium, and nitrogen are both less dense then air, so how would you inflate the tire? would you (rough calculation) double the maximum pressure of air? would the tire be able to hold 64psi of gas?

and another thing, both helium and nitrogen are highly flammable? this seems very dangerous to me, both for personal saftey and to the car if say someone dropped a lite cigg. next to a tire with a slow leak?
Posted By: Amin Ahmadi

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 09:23 pm UTC

HOOOHA

64PSI

That would explode ANY regular tire. PSI is Pound per square inch
FORCE and that doesn't change with the desnity of the gas. In fact that force is what blows the tire even when it's water!!!!

and Helium is NOT flammable that hydrogen. Helium is a noble gas which WILL NOT react almosr ever!

Even nitrogen is hardly activated! that is what 4/5 of the AIR consist of. Yes 4/5 of the "Air" is Nitrogen!

Amin
Posted By: Shawn Petrie

Re: Air flow - April 02, 2002 10:00 pm UTC

thanks amin, i wasnt too sure about the pressure thing, i was thinking maybe a tire can hold more pressure if the filling was less dense, but i guess i was wrong smile
Posted By: Jeremy Chin

Re: Air flow - April 04, 2002 10:25 pm UTC

heheh....guys lighten up...he is NOT using the hair dryer to create boost....he is just drawing cooler air to feed the intake.

does the same thing as removing your headlight to get more/cooler air into the filter...

Heh...but putting in a hood scoop on top of your filter would do the same thing.
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