Shooting in Parliament this morning. Video

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7038971/there-is-an-active-shooter-on-canadas-parliament-hill

City is in lock down.

Didn't think they would pout the city on lockdown

This has affected the nation. Military bases everywhere are also in lock down from what I heard.

F'ng ridiculous...how does this happen??

This is still ongoing. Multiple shooters. Coordinated attack. They used an unplated 99 camry to get to the hill. News at 5 (if this is over) should unravel the story.

Sens vs leafs tonight might be postponed.

I remember trying to get into parliament without knowing that I had a coin tucked in that tiny pocket-inside-your-pocket. Took 10 minutes of walking back and forth through the metal detector before we figured out what it was.

So to echo Ziggy... how does this happen?

It can happen anywhere, that's the thing.

Cancelled

Yeah I just heard.

Lol poor Deep.. I've been holding tickets for this game for him.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...years-shocked-someone-attacked-soldiers/

Apparently 2 soldiers got hit on Monday in Quebec

The Quebec incident..apparently the shooter was KNOWN to intelligence people....

but how do we deal with it? We go talk to his parents and ask them to keep an eye on him.

Why don't we videotape him being beheaded and send it over to the middle east? In fact, why don't we send over the actual head, packed in pig's blood?

They're not giving out much info on this.

Press release was very vague. You'd think they would at least tell us if/if not there are more suspects at large in the region...

Yeah I was just listening to it too.

Not even any of the media asked if there was a shooter still at large.

I guess not.

If it is and they don't say there is another one...that's not incredibly intelligent. Hopefully it's only one.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think there's another shooter running around.. The police are likely not going to say anything about it until they've got the entire situation under control. And to continue instilling fear to near by civilians so as to keep them away.

This is some crazy stuff in Ottawa.

I remember during 9-11, I was working at the East Memorial Building at Lyon and Wellington (Ottawa downtown).

Armed soldiers came in, we were escorted out, and I went home while the zone around Parliament was locked down and evacuated.

Looks like the initial victim was from Hamilton.

Never understood the extremist mind...it deviates from all logical being.

Extremist thrive on chaos. Logical doesn't vibe well with chaos.

Turns out the shooter was ALSO being followed...and passport removed. People suspected of this type of activity are given WAY too much leeway.

So the media blew that out of the water from the beginning.

Only 1 shooter.

Not a coordinated attack.

Still no word about 3 other victims who were shot (starting to think ricochet fire from police).

Thoughts and prayers go out to Nathan Cirrello family and friends.. Especially his 6 year old son left behind.

Why is it acceptable for these innocent people to die, especially in service of their country, but all we can do to the perpetrators (until they actually perform the deed---even though we KNOW they are leanting towards something like this) is take their passport and ask their parents to keep an eye on them?

Wouldn't it be more acceptable for some of these "questionable" people to have their "civil rights" violated, than to wait until they kill innocent GOOD people?

Yeah, but where does taking civil rights away become acceptable? That's there main issue I believe. You don't want it to become a police state where the people have no say in their defense. I for one am all for people under this type of investigation to be deported or left there to begin with. You do a jihad or whatever it may be that makes you think all other people are not worth the life they have been given...you get the JOYFUL deportation to your place of worship...AND STAY THERE! All they need to do is make a law about this specific case. Any extremist act is prelude to deportation.

Why bring them back in the first place? If you go do something like this...there's a reason. You're most likely brainwashed. So why would Canada take you back knowing you'll be doing something to the population? It's simple, effective and they can continue to mutter idiocies in their own little world away from Canadians, and by that I mean true Canadians (i.e. not here to kill other citizens). Since they are followed when they do this...it's easy to determine who get the joyful news of a ban from Canada...for life.

There are way too many cases like that that never end-up in the crime. You cannot do much until they commit the crime and you can prove they did it.

What Ziggy's is saying (I think) is why are we placing a ticking time bomb in our country..?

Every situation is all so very circumstantial. And although it may be true that justice cannot be done, without a crime committed.. there's got to be a better method in place to weed out all the bad apples.

Safe to say that Parliament will be revising their security measures. And that's great for members of Parliament...

But what about the us?

Is Canada truly glorious and free anymore?

As long a you "belong" in a place, you're never truly free Mike. Free is something I don't think ANY of us have ever experienced. Laws are made so people get along, but is also a negation of a freedom in a way. Not trying to be all pedantic, but in essence free truly means that, no rules, no expectations, no repercussions etc. Which of course would only work if people had built in ideologies that just made us act nicely and politely onto others without thinking about it. In this world we are never truly free to do what we want. We NEED to do things to survive. So to me the word free only applies to not paying for something, being free is not something I see myself getting until I take my last breath.

Excuse my ignorance, but which country in the Middle East is Michael Zehaf-Bibeau from?

Almost sounds like he was a french canadian scum fuk convert to some twisted version of Islam......

Well said Guillaume.

And Reza, I think you're right.

Just imagine how much worse things could have been had this goof had a better weapon or even a bomb strapped to himself.. Clearly suicidal.

Name calling won't do much good here Reza...Don't really see why this is necessary. I'm french and Canadian last I checked I'm not a scum frack

In either case, he's born in Canada and converted to some form of Islam per the news. Hence why I said specifically, if you do anything extremist that can potentially harm Canadians...you're out and sent back to where they caught you learning how to be extremist. Simple as that. No reflection to where you are born or what religion you have etc. As it's this ideology that's the problem, the brainwash. Not the religion (as I don't want to start a whole debate on religion), only the ideology of thinking everyone else deserves to die. Which we can all relate to as I doubt anyone here thinks killing others is acceptable.

Just to clarify some of the things mentioned in here:





All from here and also other sources that I've read as well:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-michael-zehaf-bibeau-canada-parliament

Exactly and sorry, no offence to you Gui Your a good French Canadian. Not all frenchies are terrorists

No worries, now for some good ol' poutine

As a side note to all this, both Rouleau (the guy who ran over 2 soldiers in Quebec) and Bibeau followed the same Pro-ISIS twitter account (again...another reason for me to hate twitter ). Which underlines the same extremist group. Which, although probably wasn't coordinated, was definitely the ideology of the group.

You should really blame the US. They created, funded and supplied ISIS for years and now this deadly group has gotten out of control and its proving difficult to destroy them.

Similar to how the CIA created Al Qaeda, except these guys are the new Al Qaeda 6.0. I am sure everyone agrees that they need to be destroyed, but don't be blind to the fact of how this group was created

I blame the weak-minded who believe this dribble ideology.

Not saying the ones who made these groups or funded them are any better, but the criminal is the dumb one that goes and does the deed. Without followers a nut is just that; just some crazy person talking to himself on the street. Leaders/CIA/ISIS/Al Qaeda they all have one thing that make their will reality: believers to the cause. Without them, their will is but a mere thought in a sea of opinions.

Although the USA has meddled around the world, I don't think they are completely to blame. The fighting in the middle-east has been going on for a lot longer than the US has existed. Ottoman Empire is the best example I have. Now what the US tried to do is stabilize or influence the area for various reasons, not the least of which is $$ driven.

There are some great documentaries out there on the Ottoman Empire and what happened after WW1 and the treaties created in Paris in 1919-1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Conference,_1919

There's a lot of interesting reading, or at least I think so, so top up your coffee.

I like reading things like that actually.

The only way not to repeat mistakes in the present is to remember the ones in the past. Not to mention it's just an interesting read anyway.

The war of religion is a never ending battle. It has been going on since before they invented bombs. Its too bad everyone just can't along. sh!t 2000 years ago even the Christian's were extremist. And even they were divided...any remember the IRA? Don't hate because someone is Muslim, Hebrew or Christian. It won't get you anywhere actually don't hate at all. We are all Canadian and that is what makes Canada. Just watch or for the crazies...

This has nothing to do with "war". War has RULES.

As far as I am concerned, once you become a felon, you have given up your rights to civil liberties. Similarly, in my opinion, once you become a terrorist, you have given up your rights as a human being.

I agree there is something not right about taking away civil liberties BEFORE the crime, but currently, they are taking away passports and putting you on a no fly list. Is that not already an infringement on civil liberties? If we are going to infringe, then let's infringe a little further and save some innocent lives.

I really have disagree with you that war has rules..I you go back intime think only the good guys followed the rules of war.

The rules have not existed forever. Since they were created, if the rules weren't followed, it was crime, not war.

Laws of war does exist.

International Tribunal in La Hague that has put a few individuals in Jail for crimes against humanity. As stated by Ziggy guess what Law did they break???

Ghislain

Now now, most are just ignorant assholes and not scum fuks