DSMer involved in fatal accident

I was watching CP24 tonight and I saw a grey 2GB Eclipse involved in a fatal accident in Mississauga. I recognized the car as someone from this bulletin board. I hope he's alright, there were not too many specifics regarding the accident.

I'll say a prayer for everyone involved, including a fellow DSMer.

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100513/100513_crash/20100513/?hub=CP24Home

Life is so fragile. Condolences to the families of the two that passed away and I hope that the other one makes it through this.

A bit better image: http://www.mississauga.com/news/news/article/816512

Oh jesus, hope he's alright and condolences to the elderly couple's family as well.

WOW......That person is from this board.....I don't wanna mention names though. I hope he is ok as well.

Ya, he is definitely from these boards. I hope he is ok!

I know that car, it's not Darren, who the hell is it?

RIP and my condolences to the families.

That car had the license plate off to the side, Daren's car had his plate in the center.

Yeah, not too many MGP Eclipses on here.

That car is ____ car i hope his okay and condolences to the elderly couple's family

I hope he's OK, and my respects to those lost!. They mention late teens, then they mention early 20's in the same artical??, obviously the DSM driver will be the focus of the investigation not the other driver, I really hope he's not found at fault, but thats a strange place to take a hit on a straight road,, eesh.

It was raining at the time of the crash, so essentially anything could have happened. We shouldn't speculate though, especially when you consider the gravity of the situation.

^True that,

Looks like ____

Damn..

I know the area. This was on an overpass which also happens to be a blind corner.

In the picture it looks like the dsm was t-boned.

Indeed there is a 3-way intersection just south of the overpass. The cars are sitting north of that intersection, in the southbound lanes.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/76986--fatal-mississauga-crash
He is 17 in this article.
So sad to hear

http://www.mississauga.com/news/article/817090--teen-charged-in-deadly-crash

He was in an crash last night and in court today?
That doesn't sound right?

"charged with two counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death."

That is a serious charge!! He traveled in the opposite lane? I wonder what could have been the reason behind that? I don't know the area at all, is that something that could easily happen due to confusion of the road setup?

Jesus murphy...I hope it was an accident for both families' sake.

Man this is messed up.

I don't understand how they can charge him if the reason for the accident is still unclear. What's to say the volvo driver wasn't paying attention around the bend in the road and struck the DSM?

I am guessing they can figure out which side of the road this happened on and which way the vehicles were travelling....

I don't think they would lay such serious charges if there was any doubt. It sounds to me like they are certain he was on the wrong side of the road, they just don't know WHY he was on the wrong side of the road...and that really doesn't matter, does it?

For this to go to court so quickly, and charges laid so quickly, there can't be a lot of doubt..

if he was driving up against traffic how did he get t boned dosent make much sence to me

It looks like the dsm was trying to turn into the exit lane, and the elderly couple, with slower reaction time kept driving straight and hit the dsm.

It could be a case of him thinking he had enough time to make the turn, or he went for the turn and something happened causing the car to stall who knows

As a courtesy to the person involved, who was 17, I would like to suggest that the moderators remove his name from this thread. This is a lot for the guy to deal with right now, I'm sure that both himself/his family wouldn't want this coming up in a Google search in the future. This board is wide open to search engines.

I'm SURE he didn't have this accident on purpose, and the guys' life changed forever yesterday. That's a lot to live with already, especially based on what happened. The media/law protects his identity, so should we, the guys who formed a club and friendships based on similar interests in the car that ultimately put him in this situation. I'm not blaming the car, but you know what I mean. But damn, 17 and driving a high performance car.

I was hoping that being ambiguous in the first post would catch on.

I agree Michael.

I know we all want a fellow DSM'r to come out of this unscathed, mentally and legally.

totally agree with micheal this thread should be removed the last thing he needs is to see that everyone know who it was and to be reminded of it

I agree ^

Hoooly sh!t.

Sad to see, I know him and only wish him the best.

Hope hes ok, pray that everything turns out ok

...that's two DSMs gone in 2 weeks and its not even summer..

I just finished speaking with the person involved and he is Ok physically but obviously and understandably the whole mental part is not and probably won't be for some time. I am just happy to see he got out in one piece and wish him,his family,and friends a fast recovery.

Glad to hear, tell him I wish him the best for me Neal. I can't find his number or I'd do it myself.

Very sad to hear.

I heard the court date is in June from his cousin so good luck to him on that. Believe he's facing 2 counts and 1 count is 14years in jail each?

Terrible...

Condolences to everyone involved, directly and indirectly.

This is a sad, sad, thing...but it also pisses me off a little...

Seems this young DSM driver made a mistake, and he is going to have to pay for it big time. That is how life works.
Everyone worries about HIM....how about the elderly couple that are DEAD? It LOOKS like HE KILLED THEM. All have read about them is maybe because they were old their reaction time was too slow? Sorry, but I DOUBT that the 70 year olds were street racing, and what has their reaction time got to do with anything? Somebody made a dangerous turn in front of them, and that is THEIR fault? So, if I shoot a gun in your direction, it is YOUR fault for not getting out of the way of the bullet???

Not long ago there was a thread about a young fellow who killed someone after having his license suspended and alcohol in his system. Everyone wanted to kill the guy. What this guy did was no less serious, just a little less foreseeable, and everyone worries about HIM being ok?

It has yet to be determined who was at fault, but it would APPEAR he was, and if that IS the case, then some middle aged people just lost their parents because of him. Some children lost their grandparents because of him.

If this guy had been driving a honda, you would all have said shoot the fracker.....

Again, he will pay the price. He MIGHT have been better off if he HAD been killed in the accident....but I am a little sick of reading "poor DSM driver, MUST have been the old people's fault"....

This is getting a little heated, I think it's time to close the thread.

Anyone else?

I don't think it is "heated".....I am just somewhat opinionated, and I think a lot of people are being hypocritical.

Because they know this poor person, or simply because he drives a DSM, they want to lay the blame elsewhere....MUST be the old people with the bad reaction time...

I am just saying let's lay the blame where it belongs, wherever that is, based on facts...not based on the car he drives...

Also, how about a little sympathy and condolences for the families of the elderly couple??

Ziggy's got a point. Forget about the talon driver, he walked away. If those were my folks in that Volvo, it'd be different....

Whatever it was, I'm sure the authorities reconstructed the accident before laying charges. Definately a lot to deal with for the guy who walked away. Worth living for ? Yes.

ziggy, in any situation its like this. The people closer to you, you will always care about more. Or if you have something against someone, then the person hurt by that person, you would be on their side. You once said if a cop dies you don't care, but they are someones son or daughter, sometimes mom or dad, etc etc. But because you do not like police, its not that big deal to you.

Americans, Canadians, and other countries are overseas killing insurgents that ARE someones family and yet we are all for it. Sure we might look at them as terrorists, but one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Society as a whole is hypocritical, you and me are both part of it as well.

(the part about the war over there is just an example / playing devil's advocate. I am always down for the removal of insurgents and am proud of our canadian soldiers and what they are doing over there)

As a fellow dsm'r who was sober and gauged a turn wrong, or maybe they came out of no where and he didnt see them coming. We dont know what happened. So until then, he's a member of this board and I'm on his side. innocent until proven guilty. It's a terrible loss regardless for the families involved. But for someone who is so adament on being anti police and not caring if one gets gunned down, its extremely hypocritical to say what you said.

Ziggy I understand your point and I respect it.

Brandon, the same goes for you as well.

I just think that we should lay this topic to rest, as Michael Z stated earlier, we should respect both families privacy and stop discussing this.

It's not like they're going to be on here reading all of this, but still...

That is all.

I agree

I kinda held back from posting on this thread 'cause it's a bit of a sensitive subject, but . . .

I'm not necessarily referring to this incident specifically, it's more of a general statement, but here goes:

Is the value of human life somehow tied to the manufacturer of the vehicle someone happens to be driving at the time?

Think about that.

Two people are killed (and they happen to be in a Volvo). Would their lives be somehow worth more had they been in a DSM (for example)?

In this partcular incident, what if the vehicles involved were reversed. Say two people in a DSM were killed in an incident with a Volvo. What would your reactive have been? The same? Different?

These are all questions you should all be asking yourselves. Don't answer them in this thread. Sit down by yourself, in a dark room and ask yourself these questions. Keep the answer to yourself. Depending on your answer, the question that should follow is: DO YOU REALLY EQUATE HUMAN LIFE WITH CAR MANUFACTURERS?

The majority of posts here have expressed concern over the death of the elderly couple too.


No one said that. Anywhere. The closest you can get to it is this:

Which is just confusion over the speed of the charge with so few details made public.


No one said this either.


Drinking and driving is a serious error in judgement. Making a left-hand turn with too little room is just a mistake. Yes, they can both kill. That doesn't mean they're equivalent moral errors.


I doubt that.


No one said that either.


In conclusion, respectfully STFU Ziggy.

The other quote blaming the volvo driver was by mike petro, I just dont know how to insert that here...

Now YOU show ME the quotes where someone SPECIFICALLY expressed ANY concern for the old couple or STFU YOURSELF...

We don't know the details and likely will never know them.

I do feel sorry for the people in the Volvo, someone has lost there parents/grandparents. That is going to be difficult to live with.

I also feel sorry for the other party because this is something he has to live with for the rest of his life.

I think its time to lock this one up. Some things are better left unsaid.