2 Month old new car still not running
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November 27, 2006 12:52 pm UTC
November 27, 2006 12:52 pm UTC
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Lance Daoust
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So after I picked up that car from A.Tan Mike and I put a bunch of effort into fixing it up to drive. Then I had to wait for money to get it transfered, plated and insured and I find there are 407 charges from 2003 blocking my plate transfer. I get that resolved and finally the car is plated (purchased in early September) and I take it out to get some gas. No problem. I get on the highway and accelerate fairly hard to feel it through. Smoke starts filling the cab pretty fast. I get out and see that the valve cover is spraying out and burning up on the manifold. Thought I fixed that but I guess not. I get home and have no money for the gasket. I take my valve cover off and the gasket looks pretty good so I am not sure how it was seeping out. The gasket arrived today, and it was $77!
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 27, 2006 02:04 pm UTC
November 27, 2006 02:04 pm UTC
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Jakub Kowalczyk
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Most likely your valve seals and/or rings are toast and you are getting a lot of blow-by....a new gasket won't fix that.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 27, 2006 02:46 pm UTC
November 27, 2006 02:46 pm UTC
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Noah Wiles
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Put a small bead of RTV all the way around it and see if that seals it.
2 - 3 lbs/ft of torque on the bolts.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 28, 2006 05:38 pm UTC
November 28, 2006 05:38 pm UTC
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Jakub Kowalczyk
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Originally posted by Tim Grech: Originally posted by Jakub Kowalczyk: [b] Most likely your valve seals and/or rings are toast and you are getting a lot of blow-by....a new gasket won't fix that. You can't say that for sure. If the valve cover bolts are stripped and not torqued down, it will seep no matter what. [/b]True, and that's the reason I said "most likely". Having said that, the oil only comes out when he's boosting hard, which obviously pressurizes his intake system and makes it very likely that there is aleak somewhere. Check your PVC valve while you are at it. Another band-aid solution would be venting extra pressure into a catch can. That's what I do, when I don't boost my car, I don't loose any oil, when I boost it, it all goes into the can.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 28, 2006 07:28 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Originally posted by Lance D'Aoust: Hope this works. I thought I was getting into a better car than my beretta... To me better ALSO includes not needing to fix things every other week :S If you don't like fixing stuff every other week, you shouldn't have bought a DSM. Welcome to our world Lance
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 28, 2006 07:36 pm UTC
November 28, 2006 07:36 pm UTC
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Nicholas Ricci
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It can be a pain at times when you feel afraid to push it hard. But consider this...a DSM is a tool to better yourself. How? the more work and experience you gain with a DSM the more you can apply it to different cars. If I did not get a DSM and just some reliable car I wouldn't have met the people on here nor would I have the idea or courage to build a garage this summer . One thing I would suggest is to stop putting your energy into complaining and put it towards the car. Scream a curse, slap your face and get to it. N
*New with some general experience* Take advice at your own risk!
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 29, 2006 02:00 am UTC
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Lance Daoust
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I understand your opinions, and I am not against learning and growing and all that. Its just a matter of 2 things: time and money. Let me paint a picture for you... --------------------------------------- I picked up the gaskets yesterday afternoon and then went to get my kids from school. When I got home I made dinner for them and by that time it was dark, so i did not proceed withit. This morning I took them to school, came back and took a phone call from a client, then went out to put the gasket in. I took my time and spent about an hour on it. I came in and worked until 3:20 and then went to pick my kids up from school, came home, gave them a bath, had a shower, then made dinner for them and we ate. After that I popped onto the computer to do some more work (I'm a designer) while they sat with me watching TV. At the moment I have just finished putting them to bed and I have a pile of dishes to deal with and hours of work ahead, plus losing two days of time spent at the office, which effects the bank. --------------------------------------- So thats just how my life goes. Sometimes there is money, sometimes there is not, but allways there is a time restraint with my 3.5 and 5 yr olds needing me. BTW, Mike Leclerc said this was a good buy, and that I would not have to repair it all the time, so I took his word for it and I am surprised that you all are telling me its all about repairing all the time. Keep an eye out for a 'for sale' thread in the coming months...
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 29, 2006 02:24 am UTC
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Adam Grenon
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Well you may need to find a mechanic who is affordable and knowledgeable to do your work for you.
One of my profs at school has a 92 awd with 154,000kms he got it 10 years ago with 54,000kms on it. He said to me today that its been a great car to own and he hasn't had any problems with it. But he just did have to get all the valve seals replaced, timing belt, tensioner etc. Good thing for him is his brother in law is the mechanic at the mitsu dealer here, so he got an amazing deal on the work.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 29, 2006 01:12 pm UTC
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Ziggy Dietrich
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I used to have an affordable, honest mechanic, but he retired . I agree MOST are "questionable", but surely there are SOME honest and capable ones!!
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 29, 2006 01:50 pm UTC
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Troy Jollimore
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It's a hard call to look at any car, let alone a DSM, and call it 'reliable'. Some are, but most aren't. Again, the key is if any work done to it was done 'right'... But I also like how Rob put it. I don't have kids, but soon after I got married I could see how things are going (days much like yours...), which is when I decided to sell the Talon. Hard choice, especially given the shape mine was in, but until I get into a position to be able to have a 'play car', it's just not worth it overall. My Passat daily driver is a VW 1.8t, and I can have a little bit of fun with that, while being 'practical'. (Re: OLD) *Laugh*
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 29, 2006 10:26 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Yes, I can't begin to count how many times I would come home from work, tired and sore, and still managed to get under the hood of the car to get something fixed...
Night hawk with a garage and a couple of big lights is the key. :-)
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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November 29, 2006 11:46 pm UTC
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Octavio Barrera
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Lance, DSM's are reliable cars, I drive mine every day. My DSM has been good to me (knock on good!!), at the beginning I had to fix a few things like wheel bearing, shocks, valve cover gasket (same as you), rear brakes pads etc. nothing mayor and after that every thing went fine, I consider that regular maintenance like any other car.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 02, 2006 04:59 pm UTC
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Lance Daoust
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Mike is mad at me. I am paranoid about this car. I did do the window motor. I even had parts left over! (hahaha)
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 02, 2006 07:25 pm UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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You lurked this forum for months, reading and researching as you claimed, and now that you have a car that you should have well known needs attention like a child in their terrible two's, you want out so easily from a few minor problems? Dont expect sympathy on this forum, get your hands dirty, and learn a thing or two and fix your damn leak and and rattle stop whining. welcome to DSM land, learn how to fix it, or sell it.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 02, 2006 08:29 pm UTC
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mike leclerc
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I'm a little pissed because your car is in fine shape, you knew it needed little things, as soon as you started driving it, it made a bit of noise so you unplated it and gave up. You have to expect tighening a thing here or there after you take it apart and put it together. I found someone to come help you because I can't.
Still you run back to a beretta that is a death trap.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 06, 2006 02:35 am UTC
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Lance Daoust
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Thank you Kevin for taking the time to check out my car tonight, I appreciate that. Well, after Kevin and Raf looked it over I spoke to Mike and we are all not sure what that sound it. I recently got a camera (finally) so I made some video clips so we can all hear this strange sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq8URcq21AI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGWG8MLc5o The information for each video is there. To summarize, the sound is present when the clutch is up AND down. Check it out and let me know your thoughts. BTW, this is important as I do not have a reliable car for my to use this winter when taking my kids to school etc. THANKS!
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 06, 2006 04:07 am UTC
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Dave Dziarmaga
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Was that knocking sound there before you bought the car? Sounds pretty bad imo, could be a number of things, but its hard to tell where its coming from just by listening to the video. First thing that came to mind when i heard that was this crankwalk video , i hope thats not your problem though. Try to locate where the knocking is coming from, either from the head or the crank. Pop the oil cap and see if its coming from the head, otherwire you'll probably have to pull the oil pan.
1993 Talon TSi AWD, if in doubt, increase boost. I've got a fever, and the only perscription is more cowbell! -Bruce Dickenson for sale: my talon
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 06, 2006 04:16 am UTC
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Luka Massimiliano
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I think that is crank walk , also there is something in your block making that noise. Try to rev it to 5000 play with clutch and listen to it.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 06, 2006 07:49 am UTC
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Rafael Pimentel III
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Noise is coming from the crank only when depressed. Not the head. I disagree with his description and the noise goes away when you press the clutch. Common indications of crank walk: -Clutch pedal falling during left hand turns -(obvious) excessive measure of crank end play -the horrid noise that happens as the Crank sensor is eaten away when the clutch is depressed. The oil leak is the least of the problems right now. I don't believe it to be transmission related at this point
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 06, 2006 12:36 pm UTC
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Jakub Kowalczyk
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That sounds like the connecting rod bearing is toast...and if not that, check your crank pulley. I know when mine separated, I heard knocking from the engine, as the pulley started hitting the screws that hole the t-belt cover. In anycase, I would not drive that car until I figured out where the noise is coming from.
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Re: 2 Month old new car still not running
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December 06, 2006 03:12 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Well, when I heard those noises... all I said was "Holy $h!t!!"
Definetly rotating assembly related. And yes, getting some feeler gauges and pulling the oil pan off is going to be the next step. Check your rod freeplay.
Also, loose flywheel bolts perhaps? Maybe there is a bolt flying around in the flywheel area? Pulling the tranny might not be a bad idea, just to check the condition of the clutch/flywheel assy.
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