Raf and myself honestly couldn't pinpoint where the noise was coming from. It could be heard from both sides of the block(timing side & tranny). Raf even tried listening to the vibrations through a screw driver to determine where it was coming from. The sound definatly had me sick to me stomach.

Mike, did you thread-lock and use a torque wrench on those flywheel bolts?

If you have already checked the obvious, and it's from the block: spun rod bearing or balance shaft bearings.
Pull the pan.

Kevin...Is it from the block?

Bottom line is that only Kevin, Lance and I were there. The Videos are good but they are slightly distorted.

I just happened to be in the neighborhood and Lance's house was on my way home.

If the problem is internal, there is likely damage already done to the engine.

First thing I thought was a rod knock but the noise is not constant.

Keep us updated

^^^ Yes it is coming from the block. Reza, this guy lives around the corner from me, so next time you come over I want you to hear it for yourself.

it's nasty though

Thanks for all the input on this one. Imma open it up and see what's under the valve cover, and then drop the pan.

I love working in the cold. Can't feel all the cuts'n scrapes after a while.

an easy thing is to drain the oil and take a look at what's in it.

People!!!

Stop trying to get lance to give you his car for peanuts or BS trades. He is not selling the damn car. I will make sure it gets fixed, and I won't let him get ripped off. This is rediculous that so many vultures have swooped in. If I was in oshawa, this thing would be fixed. Help the guy out, don't try to take advantage of his lack of knowledge and situation.

Yes he wants a running car, but he doesn't want to trade for cars worth 1/2 what his is worth.

Remember, everything you send him gets filtered through me because he is smart enough to know that he doesn't know...

Peanuts would be saying " I'll give you a grand "

You should check your prices on 96 Integras before you write such a dumb ass statement like that. Closest one to mine would be in the 7G's range. Especially considering that he picked it up for $3500??? Do your math.

Lance, even if you WERE considering the offer, it's OFF THE TABLE on either of them.

Judging from the noise,I think there is metal floating around in the engine/Crankwalked

If he's lucky, it will just be another botched clutch/tranny job by someone with little experience.

Vulture??
I could have given him a running car by tomorrow.
sh!t I would have even lent it to him (after talks)if he needed it since its sitting pretty on my driveway doing nothing. From what we are hearing, your boy is a little tight on cash too.
We've all been there at some point and time.
No cash + DSM = Oversized paperweight

You have just shunned people in the area that were willing to help and actually know DSM's.

Enjoy your soap opera.

PS

MIKE Any other comments on me you can do by PM

I can't beleive what I just read either....vultures

How are we trying to rip him off??? When those offers were made, I clearly said in a worst case scenario, meaning if the motor is gone that he'd have that option. He told me how displeased his wife has been with the car(that u chose for him btw), and more importantly the fact that his berreta was unsafe to transport his kids to school. Maybe thats the reason he had a FOR SALE sign on his car when we got there FYI. He told me that he needs somethings thats mechanically sound and safe for his kids.

Half the price??? We were told what was paid for it, when it was running. Have you seen the condition of the 92 Talon that was offered? Mint body, aftermarket rims, aftermarket turbo, and most importantly safe & mechanically sound.

Your friend trusted you to pick out a good car for him, well its been more than 2 months without him really driving it....good choice!

Now Mike I don't even know you, you asked me if I could go out there and see if I could give him a hand. I don't know either of you guys, yet I still take the time out of my schedule to go see if I can tell whats wrong, and your trying to make me look like the bad guy

No need for a digital battle here fellas. Lets keep this thread clean - someone might have this problem in the future and we could discover some useful information here for us all.
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I opened the valve cover this morning, and it looks fine - no sugical equipment was left behind, so I closed it up again. It will likely leak now that its been popped open again. That can be dealt with later.

I started the process of getting to the oil pan as well. The drained oil was clean. I found 1 bolt missing from the pan and another 1 bolt that I can't seem to get to - the axle is blocking me. I am going to have to try some creative wrenching in there cuz the socket can't get in there. Once that last bolt comes out I can see wtf is going on under there.

I wish me luck!
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mike , kevin, raf, come on guys chill, i know all of you and i know non of you are "bad guys" for what i read everybody was trying to help,dont escalate this anymore, i understand that is frustrating not to know whats wrong with that engine but arguing about it won help lance,

by the way lance dont give up, in the end everything works out,
-manuel

You guys are not the only ones to make an offer. So don't feel singled out.

How fishy is that really tho? You go to help the guy fix his car, tell him it's uber screwed, then try to get the car off him. Considering the fact that you know he doesn't know what to do...


I saw an offer for a 92 FWD talon, that's all from you. I figured you guys would help him get it running not help him get out of it.

Yes, I told him the car was a deal. There were no engine problems while I looked at it.

Maybe vultures was a bad term, but alot of people swooped in to try to pick it up quick.

Well, I took the Transfer Case down, unbolted the carrier bearing and moved the exhaust pipe to get the oil pan down. I dropped 1 bolt and I heard it go 'tink-tink' as it fell. It stopped existing after that.

So the oil was clean, no shavings or junk in it. I could not move the rods etc., but I was not able to understand all the instructions completely (I'm a visual thinker) so I have stopped for the day. Mike will come by tomorrow morning and we can look again.

I posted a video on YouTube to show how things look now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DiOK93cT8s

Is it just me, or does lance sound like Ricky from trailer park boys?

I couldn't get the bearings for this weekend anyways, but i'll come anyways. Next thing to check is the timing belt tensioner, since Kevin said the belt was loose.

Wish I could help somehow, but I have no clue at all. I just hope it all gets solved satisfactorily!!

Hey just an idea.. you sure it's coming from the block and not the head?
Maybe your cam bores are too worn out and the cams jump up and down.. it's pretty hard to check, you'd have to take the valve cover off and the t-belt off, as well as the lifters, and put the cam back in and check for free play..
or maybe you can just take the timing belt cover off if it's really bad and see if the sprockets wobble.

From the video it's hard to tell.. you should be able to feel vibration when you touch the head if it is the cams..

I went and looked at this car (edit: @ A.Tans place), and it was in rough shape, anyone who thought they were going to drive away with minor repairs was mistaken.
There was loose/missing/stripped hardware for major components, engine oil leaks from 4 different locations, rear diff and X-case where both leaking I think, the original exhaust was on its last leg, boost leaks everywhere, and the inner fender on the driver side was badly rotton, this is concidered structural and would not pass a safty inspection around here anyway, nor would you want it to, and the car has been in a accident as the dr door, fender, and frt bumper has a different "cherry" paint scheme if I remember right. The best thing this car had going was the perfect compression test on a 7-bolt, so I walked away for what he was asking after ripping it apart.

Just sheding some light on this car, I didn't read this entire post, but I was all over this car and this was the conclusion I came to after an hour of looking at it IMO.

sorry for your luck.

Malcolm... I saw all of those things, except the oil leaks. All of those things are fixed, but the rot on the strut tower, which i'll weld up in the spring.

The car will be in good runninng order tomorrow. BTW the engine is fine. It's missing a balance shaft tho lol. There is no sign of crankwalk, and the bearings are fine.

Thanks anyways for people's help.

The previous owner removed the b-shafts himself he says, and the problem with welding the rotton strut tower is that there is no way to prime/paint the welds on the inside because it is double layered if I remember right, thus rusting away around the welds, and the other side isn't far behind classic 2G.
I'm glad it's working out though.

Mike left here about 25 minutes ago and I just got in from 3kms of driving in the Talon, testing it out gently. Its running really good right now and as it turns out the damn flywheel was loose again.

Initially we put that on with a ratchet, not an impact gun, so I guess it wiggled loose. This time we used some locktight and cranked it on good. Hope it holds. I also put RTV on the freshly cleaned oil pan when I put it back on.

The valve cover was not smoking, so it would seem the leak from there is ok right now. All I have to put on is a little exhaust hanger and get a proper dipstick... I Hope!

*** Thanks for everyone's help with this, I appreciate that.

I assume by 'cranked it on tight' you mean, 'turned the torque wrench until it clicked'?

Paul

That important step was skipped again :rolleyes: . Mistakes happen, the important thing is that you learn from them. Hope everything goes well for you Lance.

Glad to read the happy conclusion.

Ghislain.

Good to hear that it's back on the road.

Ryan

I didn't frack up Manuel's clutch. I don't know where you guys got that sh!t from. I'm sure he'll chime in when he sees this.

Little experience?! You have no idea of my experience.

you guys get bent out of shape a bit too easily.
WOOSAW WOOSAW. Take a breath.

It would have been great to use my torque wrench, but it was busted.

It IS good that it worked out. Sounded like it was pretty close to the point of cutting your losses and running.

You'd have killed me when you saw what I sold my 1G for, Mike. $5k back in '01, and it came with around $3.5k of new suspension, wheels and tires, to name just a few... And the car had just gotten the new motor rebuild I'd given it, with just one cylinder running a few pounds low. Didn't have the time, money or space to mess with it, so I dropped it for a loss. It happens.

nope mike did not fucked my clutch, the clutch came worped from factory, thats what the mechanic from japanesse auto told me,
come on guys chill, lance car is working now.
-manuel

I'm not pissed. Reading my post, I can see how it looks like I was fuming. I'm just glad lance's car is running, and running well.

Great to see u up on the road bud

N

Wow guys that were a real fight I guess.
I hate to see members are jumping on each other.
Nest time try to talk gently.
Trust me guys, the way you type on the internet is not the way you actually talk, so you just think that the person is attacking you, which he is not.
BE PATIENT PLEASE GENS.