Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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March 26, 2006 07:47 pm UTC
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Nathan Welch
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The Hahn has good turbo kits for the 420a or you could build one yourself. It is pretty cheap and I think if you junkyarded it you could do it for less than 1000. The most expensive piece might well be the FMU. I was considering getting an avenger and doing the same thing. Run 6-7 psi and you shouldent have to worry about a rebuild for a while. 420a engines are cheap anyways
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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March 27, 2006 03:27 pm UTC
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Randy Kuiperij
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I really want to see someone swap the 2.4L SRT-4 motor into a Talon. Those motors make some serious horsepower too. I know, because I was beat by a SRT-4 on the street. But I realize it would be very expensive and probably not very practical.
Black ES--sold and parted RS-T AWD--smashed and parted TSI AWD--13.7s @ 102mph next project...
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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March 28, 2006 04:52 am UTC
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Jaime Loo
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Hey Mike, you have your power options. If I was you, I would keep sexy ESI stock and clean. You can put SRT4/420 upgrade power in it, but: - it's still fwd, - lot of downtime if its your only car, - 4g63 have more power supports (or so it appears) - turbo kits at 8psi puts in competition with mildly upgraded civics/neons/cavaliers, and you will be toast against gti/beetles/saabs and many family v6/8 cars
For much cheaper, get a awd turbo AND keep the ESI for a more reliable means of transportation - while upgrading your 4g63 (or even better, build one from scratch while driving the ESi).
Faster is good until you realize what's out on the roads: lots of newer family cars/trucks come with lots of torque and hp.
95 TSI AWD
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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March 29, 2006 06:15 am UTC
March 29, 2006 06:15 am UTC
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Nick Boers
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You can find on ebay quite often a twin turbo 6A12 engine with AWD tranny from a galant. Sometimes it's the older ones with the engine on the drivers side and sometimes it's got the engine on the passenger side. Stick that in there!! If you don't feel like making it AWD, then just lock the center diff and leave it fwd. The 6A12 is a 2.5L V6. Sometimes can also find the 6A11, a 2.0L. Or drop in an EVOIV+ engine/tranny. Or, cut the engine mounts off the frame and drop in a DSM 4G63. Possiblities are limitless. Make it RWD with a longitudinally mounted 4G63. Want more ideas?
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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March 30, 2006 02:21 am UTC
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Andy McLeod
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It seems the problem with the ESI is you can't make it go fast for less then a comparable TSI, or GST. You could turbo the 420A but then you're pretty close to maxing out that engine without tearing it apart. Even if you went with forged internals you would be (in my opinion) wasting your money on some turbocharged hybrid neon engine that just now after thousands of dollars on par with a stock TSI. That leaves an engine swap...the 4G63 engine swap is very possible, but when you're done you still have spent way too much money on a stock TSI. Nicks 2.5L TT V6 idea sounds like much more fun you should just do that.
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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March 30, 2006 05:44 pm UTC
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Adam Grenon
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Is the 6a12 not out of the 3000gt and stealths?
I just realized I am an idiot the 12 in the engine code stands for 2.0L and the stealths and 3000gt's had a 3.0 TT
2012 - Lancer Ralliart Octane Blue 1991 - Talon Tsi AWD FP HTA 71 1992 - Talon Tsi AWD on hold
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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April 01, 2006 09:38 pm UTC
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Sean Raymer
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Guys in the states are swapping 3.0L and 3.5L engines into Avengers with no problems and boosting them, but as Nick stated hood clearance and oilpan clearance may be issues with 2G DSM's as well as engine mounts and a complete rewiring of electronics. Plus why would you wanna swap anything in place of your 420a? I thought you just did a tranny swap to Manual? What makes you think that the manual tranny will work with any engine that you swap in? I ask that you please go to www.2gnt.com or www.aseclub.net and do a search or two, engine swaps have been discussed in rediculous detail there...
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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April 03, 2006 04:29 pm UTC
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Sean Raymer
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Originally posted by Mike Petro: I have been checking out 2gnt, but its hard to find cuz their forums arnt as organized as this one lol I just did a search on their forums for "engine swap" the first 5-10 posts explained everything you asked previously.
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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April 05, 2006 03:05 am UTC
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Luke Sturgeon
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Hey Mike Petro, you can swap the 2.4L bottom end into the Talon, it's really not that hard of a job.... pull the motor put your head on the SRT4 block stick it back in your car, and call it a day build a cheapo $1000 turbo kit from stock TSI parts and run 18PSI. LOL I was doing it.... you can also do it even CHEAPER
Goto the junker Find a Cirrus or something with the 2.4L Motor in it, PT Cruiser etc... you can pick these up for like $400, goto Chrysler get a 2.4L Turbo Piston and Rod for $129 each, stick them in the 2.4L you got from the junker, and then stick the top end from your ESI on the bottom end of the 2.4L Makes for GREAT power, you can have as much or more power then an SRT-4... it's really not even that hard of a swap. You can't use the turbo from the SRT-4 because manifold is built into the turbo and it goes off the back side... reason for swapping the heads, you can actually use the 2.4L Turbo Valve Cover if you want. I am pretty sure it bolts up.
It's the same deal when swapping the 2.4L into a 1g neon with a SOHC or DOHC motor. But youd on't have to change heads. Anyway if you need more info PM me I can send you the right people ttyl.
1991 Eagle Talon TSi and thats all you need to know.
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Re: Engine Swap in a 420a
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April 05, 2006 10:33 pm UTC
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Sean Raymer
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Find and talk with James (Schoeby) or Alain (Alain95) they have both done the 2.4L conversion. James has it detailed on his website: http://schoeby.com/information.html
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