Have a 97 Talon would like to convert into a turbo engine can anyone give me a helping hand in how to do this and what i would need to get in parts (I know replace the motor with a turbo engine but have don't got alot of cash
Thanks

there's no cheap way to do it Here's the best place to start;

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/eclipse/eclipse.htm

Better answer is the obvious.

First, please construct better sentances and think through your posts. (I received two reports to remove this post already)

Second, sell your NT, get what you can for it, and find a TSI or TSIAWD.
TRUST US on this one.

why would you remove my post its a simple question iam asking for help with did no harm Andrew so why would you get reports to remove it sorry for needing help i guess you are the wrong person to talk to about a 2g n/t car because i wouldn't sell it the car is in perfect shape not problem with it my friend has a 1g awd and it runs like crap so thank you for no help and feel free to remove my post didn't think i was harming anyone by asking a simple question

You already said that you don't have enough cash to do the conversion.
Andrew has given you sound advice.

You must help yourself to a certain extent.
For instance - if you were to do a search on this forum and Google, you would find at least a list of parts and much advice.
Come back with more specific questions and you may have a better response.

This is the first thing to read, though

you are giving everyone a headache by not using the "period" key on your keyboard. That is one LONG sentence you wrote, and that ALONE will get it deleted!

plus, this is your second thread about the exact same topic. what is the point of 2 threads?

Yes Bill, please re-read your second post, and you'll see exactly why I now have 3 complaints about your posts. (not from me, from other members)

And no one removed your post.

Sorry, I should change my title back, so it's more clear what my role is around here.

We've had enough of a laugh at a certain local shop's "moderator initiative".

Here's what your post could have looked like Bill, if you'd taken the time: (the second one was worse)

Now, on a truly constructive reply, here's why I said what I said.

We've seen dozens of guys post and ask, the same question. Those who actually go ahead, tend, from what I have heard, to regret it.

Not the adventure, the fun, and the bloody knuckles, but just the overall work to get the job done.

Also, on a 2G, the engine faces the other way, on a NT.

So, if I think about this logically, and look in autotrader, I see many 2G ESIs for sale, as high as $9000.

And, I see a number of TSi, and even better -- TSi AWD 2G vehicles, starting from $7500 and up.

Do you see the point yet?

Put a lot of spit and polish into your ESi, make it MINT everywhere... sell it on the benefits of a race-proven chassis and suspension, in spotless condition, with a fuel economic engine, that's easy to get parts for (Chrysler), and that has a much lower insurance rating, and unload it on some kid or pretty girl.

Then, shop for a good 2G TSi AWD... who knows, you do it right, and you might even have some $$$ left over for more goodies.

Bill, try listening to what some of us, who've been around these cars for years, have to say.

When I had my NT I thought the same thing, I was young and stupid, and thank god never went through with it. You may love your car, as I did mine, you just want more power out of it. The cost of converting your ESi to a TSi, is not practicle, end of story.

But if you'd like to do it, be all means go ahead, just search on here and you'll find a plethora of information.

In regards to the car: I am with Sean, Rob, Andrew, Mike and many others. In addition to the same recommendations, if you have the 'upgrade fever', I would give you a simple advice: Test drive an AWD turbo. (Or any stock turbo with different drivetrains for that matter)

And keep this in mind:
-Ordinary "upgrades" and a small turbo won't give you the same feel as stock TSI's. Custom turbos have custom maintenance/fabrication.
-DSMs are cheap, in any form. Relatively compared to other makes. It's the high-maintenance, unwanted overachiever in the used car market. If you are into cars, help us save DSMs.
-Overall cost consideration: a mild turbo most likely with cost you more, and mods won't give you the same return for your money as with turbos. Even with higher insurance of turbo cars. Keep the esi stock, and you will save all around.

Regards to postings:
- I believe there is some fault in teaching 'hikou' poetry at schools and having hippies teaching us 'free flow writing'.
- Help us read your postings, and we will help you. 'Cause we can't help you if we can't understand you, or if we are pissed at you.
- Nothing personal. This forum has maturity, go around and compare. People are friendly and helpful. Some missed grammar and spelling is not bad, as you can see. But completely ignoring it makes people hostile. That's the way it is. Internet ettiquette.

i have the same car Bill and my intention was to turbo the car but after asking the very knowledgable people on this board if it was a good idea i came to the conclusion that it wasnt. The best thing is to just sell the NT and by a Tsi. You can get turbo kits for our cars but by the time you make all the necessary mods to add the kit you are spending more then if you were to buy a TSi. So speaking from experience I support the suggestions by Andrew. If for some strange reason you would still like to turbo your car i have a complete list of everything you need to a turbo kits, engine swap to 4g63 and all the steps included (well most of them). Trust me, it ain't worth it.

Good advice boys! Keep up the good work!

Ryan

Grammer Rocks!

And I have explained this to Bill before in person.

Good Luck Bill.

But if it wasnt worth it...then why did so many people on 2gnt.com follow through with it? I have an ESI as well, and have to decide what I want to do in the next few years.

^^^
Insanity comes in many flavours.

Many of you are feeling bad for this lamp, that is because you are crazy. This lamp has no feelings. And the new one is better.

lol :rolleyes: i dunno.

i want to look into that SRT-4 swap...

Some people are gluttons for punishment.

It's fun, if you have nothing better to do with your time.

It's fun, when I destroy TSis (AWD or not) in my "non-turbo" Talon boosting less then 10 pounds.

Some people are gluttons for punishment? I guess everyone with a turbo Neon and SRT-4 is wasting their time :rolleyes:

I remember everyone telling me to get a 4G63 before I did this -- screw that. Those people suck at math. Take the price of a non turbo, add a custom turbo kit (less then a grand if you do it just so) that makes you faster then a stock 4G63 anyway, and then add all the money you are saving on insurance every month, and it pays for itself very quickly.

Cody is correct check out the ASEC or asog website's, Lots of sleeper venge's and sebring's boosting like crazy.It can be done just as for about a grand,he's telling the truth .

Well $1000 ain't bad but you'd really need to know what you are doing, or have someone who does help.

Maybe check out thoes websites ^^^, and after all the research and parts gathering - get someone for a weekend

Expect nonforecastable downtime, though.

Based on personal experiences I can say without a doubt "The man speaks the truth"

But you know what, for me I found it worth it... Even if I never break high 12's I can still safely say I have the fastest known FWD Avenger in Canada for now LOL (although I know of afew that will give me a run for my money in the future)... Now I just have to find some sticky tires and traction LOL

ah i was in the same boat as all the other N/T guys, when i priced it out it wasnt worth the money, sold that beauty and bought a 97 GST. I even paid 3000 less, cause tranny had to be rebuilt.

http://catalog.exileracing.com/prod...;osCsid=300b21828998eae77c678484728903ff

2200 for an entire turbo kit for the 420

or here for under 1000

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181134

thats not including an intercooler, basically you can bolt that on your engine and run it at a low psi for a while but be prepared for some more work down the road. i was told that the NT pistons and rings cant handle it.

to each is own i guess...i gave up on the talon and bought a 2006 Charger....

im selling and buying a TSi for sure tho.

There's is actually a really easy way to turbo a NT.

Take everything a turbo has and throw it on and forget it was even a NT until you want to turn up the boost past 8 PSI of course

NTs piston comp. ratio doesn't like high boost.

You'll need the basics:

Turbo , fluid feed/return lines, Exhaust manifold , Down pipe , intake , intercooler , Boost control , Fuel...and a few other nik naks.

Can be done IMO for under 500.00$

the question here is why? Its definitely not worth it performance wise.

If I had a NT, id go all motor and show us turbo dweebs what a real car is made of !!!

^^^
I thought this thread was about a 2G...?
You can't just slap it together from 2G turbo parts.

Although very true, it still can be done.

NOT WORTH IT PERFORMANCE WISE? You can get 215whp or so with a stock 2g N/T block on low boost for under $2k.

UMM YEAH SURE... you go spend $15k on a car to make 200whp N/A lol... talk about a "WASTE OF MONEY"

And the only parts you can use from a 2G turbo on a 2G n/t are the TINY TURBO, SMIC, shitty BOV, Air Filter and maybe afew of the fuel/oil lines if they are not hardlines... the rest is useless.

I seriously suggest anyone looking to Turbo a non-turbo 2G or anyone looking to give pointers or "helpful" info first visit www.2gnt.com and read up.

Where the hell did you pull that out of? :rolleyes:

well.
u got 2500 us, i will give you a turbo kit, you will make 250 hp, and have a ball

Hey Sean, how much hp is your car pushing? have you got it dyno'd?

How reliable is the 420A with a turbokit strapped to it with 8 psi? Just wondering. I know the TSI's are pretty relaible in stock form, but after the 300WHP, stuff breaks mostly drivetrain.

I've had my turbo kit on my 420a for a year and a half at 8psi and so far no problems.