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rear camber washers awd 2g #232111
May 23, 2007 02:44 am UTC
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Hey guys few time ago i bought the rear bolts for the rear camber for spike, so few months after i bust my tires i will be putting it in tomorrow just dont know how many would be enough.

has anyone done this before?
I have 18" rims and the drop is 1.7 all around, tires are 245 45 18.

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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: manuel salazar] #232134
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I'm using 3 washers on each bolt, with 1.4inch drop..


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Paul Sitarski] #232144
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Thanks paul, i think 3 might just do it for me too.
Did you fully got rid of the bad camber?


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: manuel salazar] #232147
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I thought you were turning the car into a road racer? If so, you don't want to remove any of the negative camber.

What you want to do is fix the rear toe which is thrown out when you lowered the car, and probably causing your tire wear.

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My car is with in OEM spec.


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Paul Sitarski] #232161
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Is the washer/bolt kit that Ziggy sells only for 2g AWD? or FWD's as well?



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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #232164
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I thought you were turning the car into a road racer? If so, you don't want to remove any of the negative camber.

I'd have to disagree with that statement. Any sizable drop will result in too much negative camber in the rear. Due to the suspension geometry of a 2G, the rear gains more negative camber than the front. So to maintain any kind of balance, you'll need to dial out some of that rear negative camber with spacers. I typically run 0.75º to 1º less negative camber in the rear relative to the front to achieve good balance. YMMV


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Scott McIntyre] #232196
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So i wasnt crazy.
oh man, all this alingment, caster,toe, camber,geometry, is more complicated than i spect it, not to mention that i hate reading.

correct me if i am right or wrong, but you dont want completely
get ri of neg camber, so maybe if i use 2 washer i should be alright?

And if put three, when i take the car to get an spec aligment can they fix if went over?

I am so sorry for my ignorance in this theme but can we do our own aligments? at home?

P.S, screw you if you punk me. lol.
-Manuel


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: manuel salazar] #232198
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You can do your own alignment at home, but it will take a lot of reading lol
Search Google for: diy wheel alignment


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Rob Strelecki] #232200
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Reading ha, o.k fine,
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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: manuel salazar] #232207
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Like Scott said, even for autoxing with that size of drop you would have to much neg camber in the rear. I haven't done alot of research but -.75 to -1 deg in the rear seems to be what alot of autoxers like & this is with fairly agressive negative front camber.

My car is probably a 1.7" drop & I believe I'm around 4 washers. I believe my rear camber is around -.75 but would have to check my alignment sheet to know for sure.

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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Daren Peacock] #232212
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I've never heard of a road racing setup with so little negative camber (-0.75 to -1). Those are basically the stock specifications. I'm not saying you guys aren't right, it's just surprising to me. I run more negative camber than that on the street. smile

Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Scott McIntyre] #232276
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Originally Posted by Scott McIntyre
I typically run 0.75º to 1º less negative camber in the rear relative to the front to achieve good balance. YMMV

So in other words, if I'm running -3º camber in the front, I'd set the rear at -2.25º. (i.e. 3 subtract 0.75 equals 2.25)

Or if I were to run -2º in the front, I'd set the rear to -1.25º

You want a little less static negative camber in the rear, because the rear gains negative camber in compression at a higher rate than the front (due to the suspension geometry).

So in other words, if you start with a static camber of -3º front / -2.25º rear, as your suspension compresses in a hard turn, the two different camber rates will converge into equal values, giving you a balanced car.

Hope that makes sense.


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Scott McIntyre] #232341
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So, who do i take my car to get a race aligment?
anyone know someone in the gta?


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: manuel salazar] #232379
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Here's some good posts on alignment setup:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169437

And more specifically your probably interested in this one:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169559


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: manuel salazar] #232401
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Originally Posted by manuel salazar
So, who do i take my car to get a race aligment?
anyone know someone in the gta?


Bertrand Tire and Alignment near Kennedy & Ellesmere. They'll adjust everything, i.e. camber, toe, to whatever you want it to be.


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Re: rear camber washers awd 2g [Re: Reza Mirza] #232426
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Thank you guys,
Yeah reza now that you mention it, i been there but because my ignorance i did not took advantage of the 100 bucks aligment he did for me.
-Manuel


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