Re: 1g No Start
[Re: EK]
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February 10, 2010 03:32 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Ryan Laliberte]
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February 10, 2010 03:51 pm UTC
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Sounds like grounds to me too. But there is a mysterious single-click no-start problem that plauges some DSMs. I get it on occasion. I have to rapidly turn the key from on to start, repeatedly, and it starts. Give it a shot. If you get it running that way, I'm sorry but you got the illness - if you find a cure please pass it along! I've tried everything!To answer your question, the starter relay is under the dash to the left of the steering column among some other relays. I don't think it's your problem though. If the click you are hearing is under the hood, then the starter is getting triggered and the click is the gear engaging the flywheel. For some reason the starter isn't getting enough amps, or it's stuck.
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Jay McClelland]
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February 10, 2010 06:20 pm UTC
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 13, 2010 03:41 am UTC
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Update: After confirming that the starter is GOOD. I proceeded to remove the driver side kick panel (below the steering wheel) to look for the starter relay. I was using an OEM manual that I got from Craig Watson...however the book stated 1993 on the title. Thinking that the starting system would be the same as the 1990. I was wrong. I downloaded a 1990 version of the starting drawing from ALLDATA. The first image shows the 1993 drawing and the 2nd drawing shows the 1990 drawing. You will notice that the starter relay diagram shows the coil different from each other. MB510818 = 1990 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD, 5spd Tested the starter relay = GOOD. Next thing to look for would be the theft/alarm starter relay and the ignition relay and get them tested.
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 13, 2010 03:47 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Hey, just out of curiosity, you ever think to check the 3 fuses under the hood on the battery?
Check your starter harness as well. Make sure you're making contact in the harness.
Your IGN relay will be fine if you get all the lights on the dash to light up. If it wasn't, more than likely that IGN relay under the hood on the battery will be popped, indicating a short somewhere.
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Ju Chen]
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February 14, 2010 12:38 pm UTC
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I agree with Ju....I don't think it is a battery/alternator/starter issue because of the fact the car shut off by itself. I would be thinking ignition if it weren't for the fact the car won't turn over again.
You said ECU caps were done 6 years ago? That is a fairly long time, no?
Also, can you have someone turn the key for you and determine WHERE exactly the single click is coming from?
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 14, 2010 06:32 pm UTC
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No fuel or drained battery would not feel the same. Drained battery would turn over very slowly. No fuel would turn over at normal speed, just not fire.. Which was it?
If it turned over slowly, then you are chasing the right things with battery/starter/alternator/starter relay
If it turned over quickly, I would suspect something else. Maybe ECU, coil pack, or no fuel...pump fuse or ground, or???
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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February 14, 2010 07:29 pm UTC
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FWIW, I have never seen a starter relay go. It's not a common issue.
Sometimes the simplest thing can look to be so complicated.
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 14, 2010 10:26 pm UTC
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Sounds like a voltage regulator to me! Your alternator seems to be poochy-fried.
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 14, 2010 10:26 pm UTC
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Unless BOTH alternator AND battery are bad, why would car quit once running, though?
So, when the car died down the street, the starter wouldn't turn over again? Or turned over slowly? Or????
I think like Rob S says, you have several things happening at once here.
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 15, 2010 12:07 am UTC
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Sure sounds like the battery is bad. One other thing, though. IF the voltage regulator is screwed and it is OVERcharging the battery, it will screw up a new battery also..Might want to check that...
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Re: 1g No Start
[Re: Will Belancic]
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February 15, 2010 01:20 am UTC
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I am not 100% sure, but that SHOULD be enough to turn the motor over at a healthy pace, no??
Did Crappy tire do a load test on the battery? What did they say?
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