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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #404695
June 05, 2013 02:53 am UTC
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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #404697
June 05, 2013 03:10 am UTC
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Ive seen 4g's run as you describe before, all timing related. I havent read the whole thread to its entirety, but have you checked the timing? Im certain your symptoms are timing related.

Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #404714
June 05, 2013 10:52 am UTC
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It really sounds like an engine that's out of time when it's running. I've adjusted the CAS fully to either side while the car was running and it didn't change whatsoever, but it seemed like the more advanced I put it, the better it ran.

The problem is that I can't really set the timing properly until it will idle, or can at least hold a constant RPM for a bit.


When I mentioned the idea of backwards plug wires to my dad, he just started laughing. He did the same thing on his Norton once, and had the exact same symptoms that I'm having. His Norton ran on a waste spark system.

I'm going in for surgery in a few hours, and I know this will be bugging me until I can get back to Guelph and try it!


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405048
June 09, 2013 02:49 am UTC
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Quick update: switching the plug wires did nothing. The car farted a couple times but didn't run. I did find that the wires weren't seating all the way down on the plug though. With that fixed, the car was able to rev to 6000RPM+ without misfiring. It still won't idle.

I did manage to get a log of it though, and it's showing my injector duty ranging from 40-65% as my RPM ranges from 1000-3000. The measurement which I believe is the MAP sensor is pegged up high.

So, new theory: I think my ECU is seeing a steady 5V from the MAP sensor and is trying to compensate by dumping way too much fuel. Comments, ideas?

Edit: I also pulled off the timing cover to double check that everything is lines up properly under there, which it is.

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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405089
June 09, 2013 10:17 pm UTC
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Alright, so my MAP sensor's ground was kafuct. I pulled the electrical tape back about a foot to find some shotty wiring, and even after that point I still didn't have a ground. So I chopped the wire before the shotty-ness and grounded it to a bolt on the firewall.

Fast forward an hour, and I'm screaming down Victoria at full boost. What a fracking feeling!

A HUGE thanks goes out to Stephen Richardson, who walked me through the electrical diagnosis over the phone this afternoon, as well as bouncing ideas with me the last few weeks. Thanks for the rest of you guys for your ideas, and Salomon, Rob, and Ryan who I also bugged directly for some insight! Boost on!


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405110
June 10, 2013 04:43 am UTC
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About time I have to stop dealing with your endless pestering!

Haha...kidding, but I'm glad she's finally come to life. About damn time...just when she comes to life mine has lost hers...I guess the grudge-teasing begins, eh?


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405114
June 10, 2013 11:22 am UTC
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Glad to hear you got it sorted out man! Sometimes, it's the simplest thing.


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Ryan Laliberte] #405116
June 10, 2013 12:07 pm UTC
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Originally Posted by Ryan Laliberte
Glad to hear you got it sorted out man! Sometimes, it's the simplest thing.


Originally Posted by Ryan Laliberte
If your car won't stay running unless you have your foot on the pedal I'd say you have either an injector compensation or airflow calculation wrong.


I think you get the beer for this one wink

Goes to show how important it is to know your tuning software, or at the very least how to monitor your car. The problem was fixed within 48 hours of me finally looking at a log.

And Salomon, I know better than to fling poo when my car is running right(ish). It's only a matter of time smile


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405117
June 10, 2013 12:08 pm UTC
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Yay! No more texts and calls while Im driving! LOL

Kidding bud, glad your running. smile

Re: Issues with first start [Re: Rob Cauduro] #405118
June 10, 2013 12:16 pm UTC
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Originally Posted by Rob Cauduro
Yay! No more texts and calls while Im driving! LOL


rotflmao

I really am good at that... haha


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405139
June 10, 2013 07:01 pm UTC
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Woo! Wicked man!

Glad to hear you're moving.

Larmond and Eng both know very well how good I am at texting hehehe

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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405141
June 10, 2013 07:33 pm UTC
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lol. Yup!
not so much recently... Does that mean all is going well Mike?!


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405185
June 11, 2013 05:25 am UTC
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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405203
June 11, 2013 03:18 pm UTC
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Haha, no, not really, but she's acting as a grocery getter at the moment.

Slide texting? Oooooooh, Eng is all up in the Android world now, no more stuttery Blackberry Torch


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Re: Issues with first start [Re: Jeremy Gilbert] #405204
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