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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #410585
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Argh! how frustrating! I hate it when people just avoid the problem and facts and state, oh well it's "policy" or a "technicality" or "you didn't use OEM parts".

Hope this gets sorted my man.

What a mess. Hopefully there's 1 good person there with the authority to fix this.


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The mitsubishi dealership refused to do the ball joint recall on my car so I called Mitsu Canada, they also refused to force the recall, so...I contacted Mitsu USA and after registering the car under its new owner (me) they got me on a 3way call to mitsu canada AND mitsu brampton and told them with me on the phone to do the recall or there would be penalties to deal with....needless to say the brampton dealership completed the recall in record time and I get nothing but smiles when I return to that dealership.

Don't give up!

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Argh! These kind of stories drive me nuts!

I know they're separate parties, even though it's the same company, but why is it that there are conflicting positions on situations like yours Terry?

If they were able to do it in the end, then the people that decided against fixing the problem, just didn't want to.

They were able to say Yes, but chose to say No. That's the kind of sh!t that drives me nuts.

I'd like to cut the bullshit and ask them WHY, off the record, just so I know why their brain told them to say NO.


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Apparently mitsu brampton was worried about not getting covered for the labor and parts, so instead of asking head office they just found it easier to say NO.

Also I think it could of had something to do with my car being a US registered car..

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I just called US Mitsubishi and they said they can't pull up my VIN because It's canadian! I've been calling/emailing Mistu Canada customer sevice and just might stop by Head office (it's near my work) to demand to speak to someone and make some noise!
Monday will be Dday for Mitsu at Dixie 401!
If they don't do anything, I've already got a few friends who are willing to come with me and park my ass infront of dealer enterence with a huge sign saying ask me about my service at this dealer!
I'll do it and video tape it and post it on the tube!


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Don't go to head office demanding anything lest you be escorted off premise by security and/or police. Be smart about how you approach things or you'll very likely be worse off than before, or at least none the better.


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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #410837
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So Mitsubishi called me this morning. Here's what they're saying!

Service manager called and said that I should have changed water pump and they did put a new gasket in. The RTV or sealant is standard practice with water pump install??? Those were his words not mine! I said I've never seen that before! I said usually I use a sealant if I'm looking to stop a leak! Guess Mitsubishi is different!
Long story short, Mitsu is willing to replace my water pump and gaskets... at no cost!
This only after I blew up on him when he said that I was reaching! I told him I was going to fix it myself and make videos and take pictures and post it all over the car forums! Seems like it got his attention!

Regarding slave/bearing on the clutch. There is nothing he can do and said he's willing to take it out for me to have a look but I can't just sit there waiting and I can't sit over the mechanic watching his every move! I'm going to do this in my garage and if it's just a loose line or something.... I'll deal with them later and really look for some comensation! If slave is faulty, I'll order OEM mitsu (which is in there now) and replace it.

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Since Chrysler stopped dealing so much with Mitsu, can we call Mitsu "Satan" now?

It's normal to use a very thin layer of a sealant or gasket maker on the water pump to hold the gasket in place. If too much is used, if it's uneven, unclean surfaces or if care isn't taken to keep the gasket from folding, chances are it will leak. That being said, what I see in the pictures doesn't seem consistent with the use of RTV or sealant on any water pump change that I've ever done. Assuming the gasket is the black piece at the right of the first picture, by where the sealant is it seems like they over-torqued a bolt and broke the casting. I've never worked on a Lancer though!

Sorry for your luck, Isaque frown

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OK I think I see a smaller gasket poking out there by the sealant. That's a hell of a lot of sealant if only to hold it in place!

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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #410847
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Ya that's for sure! I also cut off a bunch of sealant to see the joining point! This stuff is all over the outside of the housing!


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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #410876
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So I'm at home and I started pulling stuff of the top of the engine bay!
Looking down and here comes the panic! I see shifter linkages, clutch lines etc.... Aiaia! If there's any local Milton or surrounding area guys that want to come by and give a guy some help, that would be great!
Taking care of the kids too so it's kinda hard to be out there full time! After 8:30 for sure!
I'm hoping I can set something up with Stephen soon but thought I'd get a head start!
Call my cell if anything
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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #410912
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I've taken off most of the components around the Tranny and now I'm wondering about the Axels! Does anyone have any pointers on how to remove them? I don't want to damage them as I've never taken them out before, or on any other car for that matter LOL...
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Anyone in Milton who has a 32mm socket I could borrow? I have the kids so can't get out!
Let me know.
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Yeah that socket on it's own is like $20 from CTC hahahaha what a PITA!


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Originally Posted by Isaque Nunes
I've taken off most of the components around the Tranny and now I'm wondering about the Axels! Does anyone have any pointers on how to remove them? I don't want to damage them as I've never taken them out before, or on any other car for that matter LOL...
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If it's anything like our cars (dsm's), that axle nut can be a SOB, Steve R recommended to me to use a thick sturdy screw driver in the brake rotor vents, saddled in by the caliper and it should help crack the axle nuts. Aside from that, you'll need good pry bars to separate the axles from the tranny. They snap back in pretty easily with some elbow/axle grease wink


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CTC and Parts Source used to Loan a Tool the axle sockets. I know it doesn't really help you Isaque unless you know someone how can go there for you.

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Also need a GOOD breaker bar. tu


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Originally Posted by Mike Eng
Originally Posted by Isaque Nunes
I've taken off most of the components around the Tranny and now I'm wondering about the Axels! Does anyone have any pointers on how to remove them? I don't want to damage them as I've never taken them out before, or on any other car for that matter LOL...
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If it's anything like our cars (dsm's), that axle nut can be a SOB, Steve R recommended to me to use a thick sturdy screw driver in the brake rotor vents, saddled in by the caliper and it should help crack the axle nuts. Aside from that, you'll need good pry bars to separate the axles from the tranny. They snap back in pretty easily with some elbow/axle grease wink


If you want I will take pictures when I do it tonight.

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^^^ tongue LOL

That's brutal!

You should find some grade 10 bolts like I'm using in there wink


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Thanks Guys,
I know CT sells them but Can't really get out! My daughter is sleeping and I'm making dinner! LOL.... AH the life!
Once they're asleep, I wanted to pull the axel out!
Oh well, I'll pick one up tomorrow during work time!


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Hi guys,
So I picked up the socket and the nut came out without much trouble but now trying to take out the axel from the hub is being a pain in the ass!
Any tips on removing this?
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Renting/buying a axle press is a quick way to seperate the two, it just bolts onto your wheel studs and uses a threaded rod mounted in the center to push the axle free from the hub...good luck

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There tool you get. I have also just left the shaft in knuckle and removed it from the tranny and swung them out of the way. You may have to unbolt your calipers and flexline mounts and abs sensors to get enough movement out of the knuckle though

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Right now Caliper and braket are removed and have strut also unbolted but man it's just not budging. Figured I'd have to buy something to remove it! Guess it'll have to be after I get back from Holidays!


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No way you can "Hulk" it out with gloves on?


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Is it stuck in the hub, no lateral movement? Put the axle nut on backwards so it's almost flush with the end and then smash it with the BFH. The nut keeps you from mushrooming the end and killing the threads.

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Man! I tried with nut! WD40... Got my neightbour who's a big dude! LOL... It looked like it moved a bit but man...

The Hub moves around but Axle is not budging!


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Sounds like it's seized. You'll kill the wheel bearing (of you haven't already done so) if it doesn't want to move. I haven't worked on one of these cars, but can't you pull off the whole hub with axle still in it? You might have to undo the tie rod, ball joint and whatever else is attached.


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Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki
Is it stuck in the hub, no lateral movement? Put the axle nut on backwards so it's almost flush with the end and then smash it with the BFH. The nut keeps you from mushrooming the end and killing the threads.


I used a punch and a BFH. And mine WAS seized.


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I was just talking to one of my maintenance guys here and he gave me a "Jet" 3 prong axle remover! it's a heavy duty one so I hope it works! I'll take some pictures tonight so you guys can see!


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Oh yeah if you have to give it too much something is gonna get squished. You could save getting new bearings right now by doing what Reza suggested, if the geometry allows it.

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Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki
Oh yeah if you have to give it too much something is gonna get squished. You could save getting new bearings right now by doing what Reza suggested, if the geometry allows it.

WHAT!
What could get squished?
I was holding the axle housing that is bolted to the strut! What bearing would I have to change?


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The wheel bearing.

It's inside the hub. Likely pressed in.


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The axle is seized in your wheel bearing, that's why it's not moving. Someday you'll need a new wheel bearing. Like any part there is a certain amount of smashy that the bearing will take.

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So with this axle/hub puller, it's not going to help is it? I guess to be safe, should I just order a new bearing?


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It could get it apart but it could screw up the bearing in the process. It's likely what would be used to finally get the axle out when it's time for a new bearing. If the wheel still rotates OK and there isn't some crazy play in any direction then your bearing could still be OK, try to pull the axle out of the transmission while it's still securely in the hub, save the bearing job for a rainy day.

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Ok,
So this is where I'm at.
I can still spin the hub, feels fine. I tried pulling the axle off the transmission and it didn't budge either LOL.... Didn't really try to hard as I thought it would be better to pull the axle off the hub first.
There is enough play to remove the axle from the tranny and pull it to the side! I'm a little worried that I might damage something inside the shaft though!
Tonight I'm going to use the puller to remove shaft from hub and go from there! If I can't, then I'll wait until Stephen Richardon comes give me a hand early September.
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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #411083
August 15, 2013 06:18 pm UTC
August 15, 2013 06:18 pm UTC
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Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
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I dont think you have to worry about bearings. The axle is siezed in the hub not the bearings. The forces of the puller will be against the shaft and hub not the the bearings. The puller will probably work just ducky for you.

Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #411088
August 15, 2013 07:05 pm UTC
August 15, 2013 07:05 pm UTC
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Ottawa, ON
Mike Eng Offline
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Pry bar the axle out of the transmission. If you've got the car on jack stands, you'll need a good amount of clearance to work under the car, so best raise it up and get the space needed to use these type of tools.

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There's likely a circlip holding it into the tranny. Just use the pry bar on a GOOD spots to snap it out.

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EDIT: Be careful not to frack up the axle seal in the tranny using the pry bar.

Last edited by Mike Eng; August 15, 2013 07:08 pm UTC.

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Re: Water pump / release bearing & slave Update [Re: Isaque Nunes] #411093
August 15, 2013 07:19 pm UTC
August 15, 2013 07:19 pm UTC
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Mississauga, Ontario
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Hehe... Got those prybars all lying around the car! Car is high enough so I'll give it a go!


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