Haha... So I see that my "calling for some help" thread got locked. It's all goood.
Thought I'd update you guys as to where I'm at.
Last night I got under the car to get a better look at what's going on.

Re Water Pump:
So after taking off panels under the car it was right infront of my face that it seems like my water pump is fine. There is a flange that clamps the water pipe to the pump. This flange has a gasket and I noticed it full of a grey type RVT caulking around it. There is coolant all around it and when I fired up the car, there was a drop or two coming out every minute! Needless to say this pissed me off as 401 Dixie mitsu was telling me I need a new pump! I decided to grab my bill of $5891 and sure enough that gasket was "changed" was or my bill or was it changed? Why is it leaking and why do I need a new pump? These are questions I'll be asking the general manager today when I go see him!

Re Release Bearing/slave:
I removed the check plate on the tranny last night and noticed that the fluid is coming from inside so I'll have no choice but to pull it out and open it up to see what's going on!
I've gotten a few guys on here who have offered to help so I'll be calling on them soon when I can do it and I'm going to tell Mitsu that I'll be inspecting this problem also very closley to see if it was done properly! Thankfully, Ziggy @ RTM has been working closley with me and is able to source an OEM bearing/slave so I'll be getting that from him.

Thanks again to Stephen Richardson & Reza Mirza who've been a great help to bounce off ideas.

Cheers

What really confuses me is. That If my dealership replaced your engine and clutch reguardless of what parts you supplied them. They should be cutting you a break or covering it fully. Seems like a poorly run Dealership to me.....

Ziggy and I had a quick chat about your situation last night when I was down at RTM. Shops don't like customer supplied parts. They make a lot of their money off of part markups. I would not be surprised if they were trying to recoup on some losses.

I'm glad you're going over things before just replacing what they told you to replace. It definitely wouldn't be the first time a Mitsu dealer tried to screw around with one of the guys on here (Tim Sedore).

Let me know if you need a hand pulling that tranny out.

If someone can post pics for me, I don't have access here at work!
Shoot me an email.

I would also sugguest contacting Mitsu's Customer Relations dept.

LMAO it was the first thing I did yesterday! Today, I got this reply from them!

Dear Isaque,

Thank you for contacting Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada. We appreciate receiving the opportunity to respond to questions and comments.

Please be advised that all authorized Mitsubishi dealers are independently owned and operated businesses. As such, they are solely responsible for the business transactions they make, including sales, repairs, and services they perform on the vehicles.

Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada continuously works with each Mitsubishi dealer in an effort to provide only the highest level of customer service. We regret that you feel your experiences with Dixie Mitsubishi fell short of your expectations.

Your complaint will be retained in Dixie Mitsubishi’s file for future reference.

Thank you again for contacting Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada, Inc.

Sincerely,

I answered back with some thoughtful words!
YouTube, Car forums here come some reviews on 401 dixie mitsu!

Wow they are run very different then Honda then. A complaint like that, they would be all over us.

That's really sad. I thought Dixie Mitsu had a good reputation?

Parts guy is friendly anyways. I also saw quite a few evos in their shop a couple of years ago being serviced.

Maybe a talk with them will clear things up.

Just remember to approach without hostility.

Good luck with this!

I tried the approach without hostility and got the tap on the should with sorry about your luck! Now it's payback as I've got proof that they're BS'ing me!

I imagine, they are going to feed you a line about not being a professional mechanic and how that means you don't know anything.

Either way I wish you luck, hopefully you get some resolve

Bah, I'd like to see them try!
A Professional machanic also doesn't use RVT to seal a water pump clamp! They can come at me with whatever but at this point, I'll fix it myself! But they will regret the day they screwed this Portuguese cheap bastard and took his families hard earned money for a ride! AND they haven't met my wife yet! LOL

Well as one of your Portuguese Brethren I offer any help you need.
If you blow them up like crazy all over the review sites that will make a huge difference. Buddy of mine had an issue with a Honda dealer and he did a ton of sh!t reviews and they came crawling to help him.

^^^ THIS, instead of in person 1 on 1. Doesn't mean jack. Spread the word.

So can anyone post pics for me?
Don't have access here at work.

yeah sure, send me an email or the links

Hey Guys,

Just got back from Mitsu and spoke to General Manager. He didn't even know what to say to me! Showed him pictures and diagram of the gasket changed that I got invoiced for! The service manager and mechanic who worked on my car were not there so it was not able to go any further but the GM said that he would take care of this first thing on Tuesday! We'll see... I told him that I HATE being lied to and once you do that it's game over and now I can't trust the dealership or any for that matter. For now, I'm parking the car as my parents are gone for 6 weeks and I'll be using they're car. Tuesday I guess it D day for Mitsu but even if they fix this... They're reputation is done with me!

I have a feeling they'll end up taking care of you. If I remember right, it was Dixie that took care of Tim after Erin Mills fucked him around.

Definitely a blow to their reputation though. Duct tape style repairs don't belong in a dealership.

I haven't ordered the new release bearing yet, waiting to confirm yours is leaking. With the shoddy work they did, It wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't connect the line properly. Maybe it is just leaking at the fitting.

I will wait until you have it out and have CONFIRMED it is defective before ordering the replacement...

Yes Ziggy. It might be that they will replace it after the stink I did at the dealer.
I'll let you know if I need it ordered.

Pics not working?

Thanks Mike, the uploading is being goofy for some reason.
I think they are trying to get rid of picasa web or trying to integrate it more into google plus.
Surprising Picasa is a much easier thing to use on the phone then it is on the computer.

That's ridiculous!

How does such a "repair" occur at a DEALERSHIP?

I would be livid, and take these guys to the cleaners by spamming EVERY person considering bringing DIXIE any business.

Hey wait a second..didn't this same thing happen not long ago, and Andrew B. got a letter from a "judge" about the thread we had??

Wtf am I looking at??

The JB WELD type RTV they used to "seal" the leak.

I thought the same thing at first. It appears that where you see that green stuff that is all light grey RTV. Instead of using a gasket they put rtv and it still leaked so they tried to cover it in rtv to stop it. Likely they knew what the problem was but sent the car out anyways.

Pretty sad....

Sink that place. No respectable dealer would do this. Sink their ship and sink it fast.

And I was charged for that gasket. It was on my invoice. The foil piece I'm not sure what it is but took a picture. I just want my car fixed but this dealers reputation will be tainted.

I don't really know Lancer's all that well but if I had to guess, it's a reverse switch on the transmission. Or the VSS. It looks electrical. And that "foil" looks like it COULD have been oem, heat reflective wrap protects the pig tail..? may have been replaced recently.

So I had the car in the drive way, rolled it out and cleaning up the garage. Now, fired her up and all of a sudden my clutch felt light and I was in reverse! RPM's shot up.. I was like what the! Tried pulling it out of revers and it was tough.... Turned the car off and pumped the clutch and feels like nothing!
I guess the slave problem just got worse! Good thing it happened here and not on the road! Checked under the engine in my garage and it's dripping much more! Now the car needs to be towed! Gosh I love cars!!! LOL...

holy frack bud...I thought I had car issues to deal with. hang in there and keep a cool head, it will all sort itself out.

Thanks Terry.

On a good note! I was able to adjust my wife's Kia Sorento Hand brake without any big problems!LOL

Isaque, hopefully you are not getting more fluid onto the clutch.
I would be a little surprised to see the slave go so bad so quickly....I would NOT be surprise to find that they did not connect the line properly....

Please let me know what is found to be the case..

Ziggy,
I'm not driving it. I just happend to pull the car out of the garage and then when I went to put it back in, it got worse and I turned of the car. I'll have to get it towed to dealer but only if they agree to fix it for free! If not I'm doing it here!

Cheers

atleast the tow will be free where ever you decide to take it. Mitsubishi warranty is good for something. I've had parts replaced for free because of it and im halfway done my warranty already. Just passed 100000 on my 2010 lancer but I bought the extended warranty.

Curious, why did you have to swap in a new motor into a relatively new car?

Ian. I spun a bearing on the crank. My km's were 174000 so my warranty was over.

Wild. That's on the 4B12 engine?

It's a 4B11 NA.. They told me that most likely my engine was a dud! It was the first spun bearing the dealership had seen!
It did last 174xxx KM and I do drive a bit aggressive soo..... But still....

Ok so I email GM at Mitsu and he said that his mechanic and service manager are all out this week for vacation! He did mention to me that he spoke to service guy and his recommendation to me was to use OEM parts and I didn't listen to him! That shot me through the roof and had a few good words for him on email which I'm saving to see the outcome of this! Now I've got to wait another week and I'll be leaving for vacation on the 16th! If nothing is resolved early next week, it could be into September before this gets resolved! I'm going to visit Mitsu head office today and not leave until I talk to someone who matters!

Argh! how frustrating! I hate it when people just avoid the problem and facts and state, oh well it's "policy" or a "technicality" or "you didn't use OEM parts".

Hope this gets sorted my man.

What a mess. Hopefully there's 1 good person there with the authority to fix this.

The mitsubishi dealership refused to do the ball joint recall on my car so I called Mitsu Canada, they also refused to force the recall, so...I contacted Mitsu USA and after registering the car under its new owner (me) they got me on a 3way call to mitsu canada AND mitsu brampton and told them with me on the phone to do the recall or there would be penalties to deal with....needless to say the brampton dealership completed the recall in record time and I get nothing but smiles when I return to that dealership.

Don't give up!

Argh! These kind of stories drive me nuts!

I know they're separate parties, even though it's the same company, but why is it that there are conflicting positions on situations like yours Terry?

If they were able to do it in the end, then the people that decided against fixing the problem, just didn't want to.

They were able to say Yes, but chose to say No. That's the kind of sh!t that drives me nuts.

I'd like to cut the bullshit and ask them WHY, off the record, just so I know why their brain told them to say NO.

Apparently mitsu brampton was worried about not getting covered for the labor and parts, so instead of asking head office they just found it easier to say NO.

Also I think it could of had something to do with my car being a US registered car..

I just called US Mitsubishi and they said they can't pull up my VIN because It's canadian! I've been calling/emailing Mistu Canada customer sevice and just might stop by Head office (it's near my work) to demand to speak to someone and make some noise!
Monday will be Dday for Mitsu at Dixie 401!
If they don't do anything, I've already got a few friends who are willing to come with me and park my ass infront of dealer enterence with a huge sign saying ask me about my service at this dealer!
I'll do it and video tape it and post it on the tube!

If you really want to hurt them, contact OMVIC.

Don't go to head office demanding anything lest you be escorted off premise by security and/or police. Be smart about how you approach things or you'll very likely be worse off than before, or at least none the better.

So Mitsubishi called me this morning. Here's what they're saying!

Service manager called and said that I should have changed water pump and they did put a new gasket in. The RTV or sealant is standard practice with water pump install??? Those were his words not mine! I said I've never seen that before! I said usually I use a sealant if I'm looking to stop a leak! Guess Mitsubishi is different!
Long story short, Mitsu is willing to replace my water pump and gaskets... at no cost!
This only after I blew up on him when he said that I was reaching! I told him I was going to fix it myself and make videos and take pictures and post it all over the car forums! Seems like it got his attention!

Regarding slave/bearing on the clutch. There is nothing he can do and said he's willing to take it out for me to have a look but I can't just sit there waiting and I can't sit over the mechanic watching his every move! I'm going to do this in my garage and if it's just a loose line or something.... I'll deal with them later and really look for some comensation! If slave is faulty, I'll order OEM mitsu (which is in there now) and replace it.

Cheers

Since Chrysler stopped dealing so much with Mitsu, can we call Mitsu "Satan" now?

It's normal to use a very thin layer of a sealant or gasket maker on the water pump to hold the gasket in place. If too much is used, if it's uneven, unclean surfaces or if care isn't taken to keep the gasket from folding, chances are it will leak. That being said, what I see in the pictures doesn't seem consistent with the use of RTV or sealant on any water pump change that I've ever done. Assuming the gasket is the black piece at the right of the first picture, by where the sealant is it seems like they over-torqued a bolt and broke the casting. I've never worked on a Lancer though!

Sorry for your luck, Isaque

//edit
OK I think I see a smaller gasket poking out there by the sealant. That's a hell of a lot of sealant if only to hold it in place!

Ya that's for sure! I also cut off a bunch of sealant to see the joining point! This stuff is all over the outside of the housing!

So I'm at home and I started pulling stuff of the top of the engine bay!
Looking down and here comes the panic! I see shifter linkages, clutch lines etc.... Aiaia! If there's any local Milton or surrounding area guys that want to come by and give a guy some help, that would be great!
Taking care of the kids too so it's kinda hard to be out there full time! After 8:30 for sure!
I'm hoping I can set something up with Stephen soon but thought I'd get a head start!
Call my cell if anything
416-990-2856
Cheers

I've taken off most of the components around the Tranny and now I'm wondering about the Axels! Does anyone have any pointers on how to remove them? I don't want to damage them as I've never taken them out before, or on any other car for that matter LOL...
Thanks

Anyone in Milton who has a 32mm socket I could borrow? I have the kids so can't get out!
Let me know.
Thanks

Yeah that socket on it's own is like $20 from CTC hahahaha what a PITA!

If it's anything like our cars (dsm's), that axle nut can be a SOB, Steve R recommended to me to use a thick sturdy screw driver in the brake rotor vents, saddled in by the caliper and it should help crack the axle nuts. Aside from that, you'll need good pry bars to separate the axles from the tranny. They snap back in pretty easily with some elbow/axle grease

CTC and Parts Source used to Loan a Tool the axle sockets. I know it doesn't really help you Isaque unless you know someone how can go there for you.

Also need a GOOD breaker bar.

If you want I will take pictures when I do it tonight.

^^^ LOL

That's brutal!

You should find some grade 10 bolts like I'm using in there

Thanks Guys,
I know CT sells them but Can't really get out! My daughter is sleeping and I'm making dinner! LOL.... AH the life!
Once they're asleep, I wanted to pull the axel out!
Oh well, I'll pick one up tomorrow during work time!

Hi guys,
So I picked up the socket and the nut came out without much trouble but now trying to take out the axel from the hub is being a pain in the ass!
Any tips on removing this?
Cheers

Renting/buying a axle press is a quick way to seperate the two, it just bolts onto your wheel studs and uses a threaded rod mounted in the center to push the axle free from the hub...good luck

There tool you get. I have also just left the shaft in knuckle and removed it from the tranny and swung them out of the way. You may have to unbolt your calipers and flexline mounts and abs sensors to get enough movement out of the knuckle though

Right now Caliper and braket are removed and have strut also unbolted but man it's just not budging. Figured I'd have to buy something to remove it! Guess it'll have to be after I get back from Holidays!

No way you can "Hulk" it out with gloves on?

Is it stuck in the hub, no lateral movement? Put the axle nut on backwards so it's almost flush with the end and then smash it with the BFH. The nut keeps you from mushrooming the end and killing the threads.

Man! I tried with nut! WD40... Got my neightbour who's a big dude! LOL... It looked like it moved a bit but man...

The Hub moves around but Axle is not budging!

Sounds like it's seized. You'll kill the wheel bearing (of you haven't already done so) if it doesn't want to move. I haven't worked on one of these cars, but can't you pull off the whole hub with axle still in it? You might have to undo the tie rod, ball joint and whatever else is attached.

I used a punch and a BFH. And mine WAS seized.

I was just talking to one of my maintenance guys here and he gave me a "Jet" 3 prong axle remover! it's a heavy duty one so I hope it works! I'll take some pictures tonight so you guys can see!

Oh yeah if you have to give it too much something is gonna get squished. You could save getting new bearings right now by doing what Reza suggested, if the geometry allows it.

WHAT!
What could get squished?
I was holding the axle housing that is bolted to the strut! What bearing would I have to change?

The wheel bearing.

It's inside the hub. Likely pressed in.

The axle is seized in your wheel bearing, that's why it's not moving. Someday you'll need a new wheel bearing. Like any part there is a certain amount of smashy that the bearing will take.

So with this axle/hub puller, it's not going to help is it? I guess to be safe, should I just order a new bearing?

It could get it apart but it could screw up the bearing in the process. It's likely what would be used to finally get the axle out when it's time for a new bearing. If the wheel still rotates OK and there isn't some crazy play in any direction then your bearing could still be OK, try to pull the axle out of the transmission while it's still securely in the hub, save the bearing job for a rainy day.

Ok,
So this is where I'm at.
I can still spin the hub, feels fine. I tried pulling the axle off the transmission and it didn't budge either LOL.... Didn't really try to hard as I thought it would be better to pull the axle off the hub first.
There is enough play to remove the axle from the tranny and pull it to the side! I'm a little worried that I might damage something inside the shaft though!
Tonight I'm going to use the puller to remove shaft from hub and go from there! If I can't, then I'll wait until Stephen Richardon comes give me a hand early September.
Thanks

I dont think you have to worry about bearings. The axle is siezed in the hub not the bearings. The forces of the puller will be against the shaft and hub not the the bearings. The puller will probably work just ducky for you.

Pry bar the axle out of the transmission. If you've got the car on jack stands, you'll need a good amount of clearance to work under the car, so best raise it up and get the space needed to use these type of tools.



There's likely a circlip holding it into the tranny. Just use the pry bar on a GOOD spots to snap it out.



EDIT: Be careful not to frack up the axle seal in the tranny using the pry bar.

Hehe... Got those prybars all lying around the car! Car is high enough so I'll give it a go!

Hey guys,
Came back from our road trip.
Just had some time to get out there and try to remove axle! No luck... on either side.
Hub side is stuck even usung tool and tranny side doesn't budge!
I'm going to confim with Stephen is the weekend of the 7th is good for him so I can try to finally get this car back on the road.

Cheers.

There are some parts here when you are ready. I have the throwout bearing if you need it, and I ordered the gaskets for your water pump, just in case....

Hey Ziggy,
Thanks, I'll need the throw out bearing by next weekend. Mitsubishi will be replacing my water pump and gasket.

Hi guys,

I'm going to be working on my lancer this Saturday trying to once again remove the axle! If there is anyone available to give me a hand it would be great. Stephen is not available this weekend so any help would be great.
Thanks

Give it another go on your own. Just use a lot of force. It should snap right out!

I'll be working on it on my own but would like some help from anyone who's available.

I hear ya man.

I would if I could!

Well just drive down then! LOL Oh wait you're an Ottawa Fan! My wife and I don't like having Sens fans at our house...
It creates a bad environment! JK.
Cheers

I'm not helping ANY more leafs fans!

Bahaha i was going to offer but....

Guess I'm on my own bitches
LOL

Any luck Isaque?

I didn't get a chance to get to it yesterday! Got home from work around 7pm and after putting kids down I just shut down too!
Might only be able to get to it tomorrow sometime...
Cheers

Update,
So Saturday I was able to get both axles from the tranny out. Drained the tranny. I left the hub side in as it was not coming out!
Everything but the shifter linkages are out and the drivers side motor mount holding the tranny. I'm hoping to have it finally completed on Saturday! LOL...

Alright so I dropped off my car at Mitsubishi this morning and they have changed my Water pump and gaskets! I'll be picking up in a little while so we'll see how it goes!
I'm hoping my car woes are finally over!

We'll keep our fingers crossed for you..

If not... I have a really good RTV you can smear all over everything... That will fix er.

Hey Now! That's a Mitsu triple star mechanic who told me "That's standard Procedure!" LOL....
Even sitting here now, thinking wow they changed my pump quickly! Good this I put a mark on the water pump to ensure that it indeed was changed! Hehe...

That'll happen when you no longer own a car

Glad to hear things are finally getting sorted out.

So I just picked up the car and peeked into engine bay and water pump is new for sure! Engine light came back on and they had told me that it showed speed sensor! Going to have to see if it goes away or I need to change it.
Stephen, Would that be one of the sensors we took out and put back? Maybe it's a bad contact....
Cheers

Yes. Make sure they are clipped in correctly or even at all

Will check tonight then!