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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #415318
October 07, 2013 01:53 pm UTC
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I definitely know all about the 8/9 setup did a ton of research on it as I was searching for the bits.
The reason they are not direct is the part that bolts to the hub is much larger on the evo (so there is need for spacers) and pretty sure the bolts are larger too.

I am hoping that through watching your progress and reading all of this I will get an understanding of what exactly is needed for a proper setup.

I think that's the way something like this needs to be done! Then you can make sure you are doing things proper without worrying about a budget!



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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #415319
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Well look at it this way, with these knuckles you will need to run the Evo Brembos OR any brake kit meant to fit on the Evo 8/9, there's money right there. You will need to run Evo suspension, again, more money right there. If I change the lower pickup location then you're looking at a custom lower A-arm to do it properly (I'd switch to a spherical bearing, etc.)...a lot more money...so, yes, these will be expensive but it's everything else you need for a complete setup that is really going to add up. Unlike engine/power mods, suspension is one thing that is best upgraded all at once, versus in bits and pieces.

All said and done, for a full-out race suspension/handling/dynamics setup (custom knuckles, custom control arms, a-arms, race struts, big brake kit, tubular front and rear subframes, bushings, etc.) you're looking well into the 5-digit territory. Hell, a high-end BBK will cost you $5k (easily).

All that being said, I'd rather design without a budget in mind and then have the freedom to backtrack from the ideal design to get something feasible that suits my needs versus the opposite.

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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #415325
October 07, 2013 03:06 pm UTC
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Which suspension are you planning on running? What will you being doing for the top hat?

My google skills aren't having much luck right now, what is an a-arm?


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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Jay Stacey] #415327
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Originally Posted by Jay Stacey
Or a 30-70 split center dif.


I already run one of these rare items in my 1g DSM.
Cusco 30-70 split, 4 spider center differential with internal clutch pack lsd.
This thing works like a charm wink

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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #415331
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From what I read you are making an Evo 4 front hub. They can bolt on any brembo found on any year evo.
My brother runs them on his Evo 3. The only difference is the type of ball joint it takes, But thats why you would run Evo 4 control arms that are cast aluminum. I and also believe they use the same wheel bearings as 8&9 evos,

I haven't checked if they fit in 1g but it looks indentical. I should be trying this in a few weeks though.



Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Corte Beech] #415362
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Originally Posted by Corte Beech
From what I read you are making an Evo 4 front hub. They can bolt on any brembo found on any year evo.
My brother runs them on his Evo 3. The only difference is the type of ball joint it takes, But thats why you would run Evo 4 control arms that are cast aluminum. I and also believe they use the same wheel bearings as 8&9 evos,

I haven't checked if they fit in 1g but it looks indentical. I should be trying this in a few weeks though.


Interesting, didn't know this. Can't imagine they're very easy (or cheap) to get ones hands on, though.

Still, mine will be lighter, stronger and eventually, have optimized geometry in addition to allowing for direct bolt-on compatibility with Evo 8/9 struts.

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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #415371
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I'm tempted to design it for use with radial-mounted calipers...but that necessitates buying a VERY expensive race brake setup, so I think I'll leave that our for now.


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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #415373
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He got his for $250 with control arms and brakes. It's the control arms that are hard to get.

But if you are making billet ones, It would be easier for you to copy the evo 4 hubs but change the type of ball joint it takes to the style of a 1g, If you did this then put me down for a set.

Also you should make billet controls with increased caster. Cause I would also buy a set of those as well wink



Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425606
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Hey Sal, what ever happened to this?


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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425607
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A design has been completed but until I have time/the means to get all the parts measured via CMM to confirm my measurements/placements I am going to refrain from spending time on any further development. Still need to do some more FEA on the part as well.


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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425609
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Cool! Any timelines?


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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425610
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Nope. I'm going to be out of country traveling all summer and possibly moving to another country for work when I come back so it's all on hold till next year at minimum.

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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425612
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Are the cars coming with you or are you leaving everything here?


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Staying here for the summer. If I move for work only the Talon will be coming with me. The Malibu would stay with my dad and the Mazda 3 would probably get sold or given to my brother.


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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425625
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Originally Posted by Salomon Ponte
only the Talon will be coming with me

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Re: Design Project Ideas [Re: Salomon Ponte] #425639
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Hope you're Cali "smog" approved if you move there with it. Worse place to be if you have mods.


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