and you are calmly checking out the DSM forum??

Of course lol, only small contractions, we are in the hospital now haha, there isn't much i can do while we are just waiting.

Got a free hour today and put everything together ready to drive on a tweeked base tune.

Brain fart moment, load the ostrich up with a tune, fire the car up and it dies on its arse....... frack it......beer open. .....watch some football(soccer)
Realized i had put the plug wires back thinking the cylinders are 1.2.3.4 instead of 4.3.2.1.
Oo well I'll play again tomorrow lol

Are you sure your ecu works?

neither of those are the right order, it's 4,1,2,3.

I mean as your looking at the cylinders.
And I have no idea if the ecu works I see no reason why it wouldnt.

Oh haha, yeah that's right. 4321camgears

Changed them round still didn't fire up, but I'm off back to work tomorrow so I will check it out then.

I have been thru 2 ecus now. And gonna end up just socketing my ecu.

It ran before the ecu swap? what map sensor are you using?

It ran before but rich at wot, i have a omnipower 4 bar map sensor. This is what its doing.

Unplug your isc and try it and see if it does anything diferant.

Im out the door for 8 am tomorrow and wont be back for 2 weeks, but stephan is doing my tuning, so if it doesn't run i will just trailer it to him so he can set it up and put a tune on it. The car ran with maft so im confident its a tuning issue.

Update
Its at stephans getting tuned after finding problems with a leaky biss screw and having to buy another fuel pressure regulator as my aeromotive one was leaking.

Went tuning

Got lots of phantom knock which we believe its because i have a leaky injector seal.

I have a good set of fenders for the spring and will need a new hood but i got sick of rusty/bad looking front end so i gave it a quick cheap spray bomb.

Spray bomb turned out really good

So Jackal i up and running?? Awsome! Im still tryng to get a working Eprom ecu!

It works right now, but it's not done because of the injector seal. Telltale was the wet intake runner and puddle at the back of the intake manifold.

I don't personally recommend Jackal though as it's very limited to what you can do. For a simple build, sure, but that's it.

What makes you believe that it's phantom knock? If the cylinder is leaning out, and not getting the required fuel due to a leaky seal its most likely real. I've never seen an injector seal cause phantom knock...

Ask stephan lol i am simply repeating what he told me, something about a crazy amount of knock at low revs.

It was creating a big boost leak. Whenever I've had a big boost leak, I get knock that doesn't make sense.

So its seeing too much fuel then? I've also never experienced 'rich knock'. My car will make clean, knock free pulls with 9.x:1 ARFs.

Simple things like this is why I gave up trying to tune other people's cars. A car needs to be mechanically sound before it can be tuned. That includes boost leak test, new properly gapped+correct heat range spark plugs for the boost you plan to run along with fresh wires, car must be mechanically on time along with base timing set to 5*. Proper octane fuel for the desired boost. Base fuel pressure set, fuel system up to par with desired boost. Working cooling system. Also proper, working sensors (Wideband, map) so your not blind tuning. And again, the car must be mechanically sound, everything nice and tight, so there's no rattle's/noises that can trigger the knock sensor. In my eyes, if any of those things aren't addressed its a waste of time to start tuning.

Not rich knock, the afr's were tried as rich as around 11.5 on spool up and 4-5psi it would still jump straight to 32* knock.

There were a couple boost leaks that I had to fix, and I definitely hear you on that. However, I really enjoy tuning when everything checks out mechanically. When I had the fuel rail off I noticed that they weren't the correct seals, so Kirk ordered them. I figured that they would have an effect, but thought we could give it a shot to see what happens.

Other than that there really isn't anything else that it could be except base timing.

As rich as 11.5? You should be richer than that. 11.5 when the boost is coming on is way too lean, especially if you're just starting a tune. Does he have meth? If not you shouldn't be going for 11.5 at any point in the tune even if running 94 gas. If you only went as rich as 11.5 then I'd be willing to bet the knock is real, even if the amount may or may not be accurate.

Hope your not tuning your car yourself lol. Just kidding, but not really

During spool up you can go much leaner like 13.5:1 and still be safe as long as it richens up approaching full boost.

I wasn't referring to the low end spool up, I was referring to approaching full boost as you mentioned, which on small turbo (like a 14b/16g) is nearly one and the same.

My main point was that if you're just starting a tune you should be building things up and not just diving into the deep end. What you can or can't do with a tune in the end is a moot point if you can't even get a base tune down.

As for tuning myself - I'd be willing to bet I can tune as well as anyone on these boards.

I like to tune for a lean spool and lean up top too. Heck, my Hx40 spooled insanely lean with much more timing and boost levels on straight 94 (meth doesn't kick in till about 18PSI) and, there's no knock.

What ever... It can fully tune your timing and fuel tables.. And give you controllable threshholds and few inputs and out puts.... Everything anyone really needs.. Upgrade to warewolf. And its par with linkv3 but with true SD.

So warewolf runs a MAF IAT and MAP. Because that is the only way to even close to true Speed Density....although even the Engineers who invented SD can't actually make true SD.

It uses the same SD as any other full stand alone. AeM, megasquirt, haltech.

None of which are TRUE SD. Even the Manufacturers have added a MAF to their sd systems just to get alittle closer to TRUE sd. True SD needs to measure Air mass, air temp and pressure all at the same time and everywhere in the air steam. True sd is like Santa really being able to deliever gifts to all the kids in the world on one night.

Pretty sure Warewolf and link all calculate sd the same way.

Link is still converted signals for the most part.. Reprogramed stock ecu function... Dsmap changes the way the stock ecu works. Its more plug(dial in) and play. Link still needs a ton of calibrations. Either way is fine for most dsmers. There isnt really anything one can do better then the other as far as limits go. Once you get going.

All ecm are converted signals. Maybe dsmap and link and aem and haltech are pretty equal. But NONE have TRUE SD because it doesnt phucking exist.

HKS VPC is true SD in a box! lol quit arguing, it's just another method using the same principals.

No its not. It might be in a box but it isnt true SD. True sd is is buried right beside the Holy Grail, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy.

Ok.. Ok... Its technicly not "true SD" jeeze.. Thats the term the designer uses to compare to the other stand alones and piggy backs. Alot of ems companys use the term "true SD". From what I can understand, dsmap uses the actuall signal from a map sensor based on the voltage, where link takes the map sensor reading and converts it to something the stock ecu can understand. Somthing like that. Im not gonn argue, the arguement is as old as Dsmlink is. Lol.

You cant argue the arguement. Tuning software is tuning software all can achieve the same goal. To manipulate a signal to whatever you choose it to be. Dsmap is no better then link and link is no better the dsmap. Neither have TRUE SD no one does.

Whar other people are use to and find more user friendly isn't what makes any better then the other.

Daewooooo!

I agree. Tuning is tuning...The reason I push dsmap is cause they dont market it as much as ecmlink. And alot of people put it down not knowing what it is cabable of. Someone has to premote them.. The only reason I prefer dsmap over Link, is cost. Altho, I myself found link alittle more challenging to get dialed in.

No you bashed link because it isnt true sd. And neither is dsmap. When you find true sd let me know I can sell it to the masses and we can be rich. Till then dont promote dsmap as true sd. Cause it aint.