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Hi everyone. I'm new to the dsm world. Anyway, I bought the car about 2 months ago, car wasn't drivable since the clutch pedal had no pressure. Changed the slave and master cylinder but nothing. In the end it ended up being a bad clutch pedal assembly.
Now on to the issue at hand. The car was at my mechanics for a while. He did the pedal assembly, oil change, stainless steel lines and exhaust. I drove it home Sunday and the car was driving fine. Sputtering a bit between 1-3000 rpm and nothing in the higher rpms. The car was sitting for like 3-4 years when I got it. Monday I went to start the car and nothing, it keeps cranking and after like 15 tries starts and stays on maybe for 5 secs and sputters and dies. If I try giving it gas it dies right away. I have since changed the coolant temp sensor and changed the spark plugs to BPR6ES from BPR7ES. The plugs are black like the night and I think the rings in the valve cover are leaking a bit cuz there was oil on the spark plug wires (taylor 8mm). I have taken out the ecu and opened it up. The caps are not leaking however I don't have a spare to plug in and see if it's the ecu that's gone bad. Please help me out this car is driving me crazy
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 11, 2014 01:13 am UTC
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Well I just mentioned the mods. It's pretty stock other then the Magnus intake manifold. The previous owner ran nitrous on it. So all the lines and solenoids are there.
When turning it over if I let go off the key the engine sputters, seems like it wants to start. And when it does start the engine runs smooth at times and sometimes is rough but either way it shuts off. I tried giving it gas slowly and the rpms crept up to 3000, it was sputtering the whole time.
I will take the ecu to this shop I found and they can test it see if it's good for $50. To get it fixed or repaired it's $200. They change/upgrade the capacitors. But I already got some from Rtm racing but don't have the skills or nerve to embark on that mission.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 11, 2014 01:46 am UTC
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Lol I haven't checked it to be honest cuz I am the one cranking it. The battery dies quick after maybe 2 or 3 tries so I have to hook up my other car to boost it. I'll get my brother to crank it and I'll check the exhaust smoke. But what can you tell from the exhaust?
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December 11, 2014 01:56 am UTC
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I'm leaning towards Corte's suggestion of the ECU, due to the intermittency (you say it runs normally at times before stalling).
The smoke is just a good way to tell what's going on. If it's a fuel issue, you can generally see it in the exhaust. If it's a "my brain isn't telling my engine to run" issue, the exhaust tends to look normal when it does run.
Edit: I wouldn't go out just for the purpose of checking what your exhaust looks like. I was just asking in case you noticed.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 11, 2014 02:12 am UTC
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No I didn't notice anything the reason cuz I was in the car the whole time. Even if there was anything wrong I wudnt b able to tell. The car was running beautifully before, start at first turn of the key.
Where is the fuel pump anyway? And how can I access it?
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December 11, 2014 02:23 am UTC
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If the caps break down and leak, they generally fry the ECU. They are a cause, not a symptom. The ECU can fail with intact caps.
The fuel pump is in the tank. There is a plethora of information on removing it, as it is one of the most hated jobs for 1G owners. I doubt your issue is in there, but it wouldn't hurt to throw some penetrating oil on the sending unit studs while you're thinking about it.
As far as checking the sensor.. I'll leave you to Mr. Richardson's much more capable hands.
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December 11, 2014 02:30 am UTC
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Is the fuel pump accessible from inside the car or does the tank needs to be dropped? I have read horror stories abt the fuel pump. I pray and hope that fuel pump isn't my issue. Waiting for Mr. Richardson to chime in.
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I will check it this weekend. I can check spark by taking the spark plug wire out and placing it near the valve cover to see if it sparks. Fuel by seeing if it has any in the fuel rail by disconnecting the fuel line to the rail. How do I know if it's flooding?
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December 11, 2014 04:09 am UTC
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Ah alright. Then I think it might b flooding. The spark plugs were wet and did smell like fuel a bit. I just checked the ones I took out and they do smell like gas.
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December 11, 2014 04:11 am UTC
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I'm just busy with work and school. Don't have much time to look at the car plus irs freezing outside. Will look at it this weekend. Promised warmer temperatures lets c if they stick to their word. Lol.
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December 11, 2014 04:39 am UTC
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I'd also speculate it's the ECU. But is your CAS and plug wires in the right order? Just basic things that could cause it too.
Also, if your ecu IS fried, check your ISC. When faulty, then can cause damage to the ECU.
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What stumps me is that the car was driving fine Sunday and Monday it just wouldn't start. It's like the car forgot how to start lol. It would start so easily before.
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What stumps me is that the car was driving fine Sunday and Monday it just wouldn't start. It's like the car forgot how to start lol. It would start so easily before. That again suggests ECU to me. After you crank her over to check spark, pop a plug out to see if there's enough fuel to pour into your hand.
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Thanks Jeremy. I'm going today to get the ecu tested after work and if it's good I will get the caps upgraded to the new ones I got from Rtm. I will pull the plugs this weekend and see if theyre doused in gas. I just put new plugs in last night. The ones I took out were black like burnt black and reeked of gas.
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December 11, 2014 03:43 pm UTC
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No problem! Could very well be the ECU. But you best figure out what fried it before you plug in a newly repaired one. Agreed. If they find damage on the ECU, I would take Stephan's suggestion above to check your ISC; it's a known culprit for taking out the ECU.
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December 11, 2014 04:22 pm UTC
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Yeah I was going to say the same Jeremy, but his ISC driver would usually be toasty. Either way if there is a metal one in there I would try and find the plastic black ones, lots of updates were done to prevent frying the ecu.
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The car runs smoothly some of the time when it does start, so the plug wire order is fine. Let's not have him chance down impossible causes. My black talon had the CAS 180* out and would do the same. Sometimes start, othertimes it would flood the engine. Idle and low rpm would sputter, then sound fine up top.
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I think the isc could be the culprit. The car did idle really high at around 1500 rpm. When the car warms up it would stay the same until I drive it then the rpms would drop to around 1000. Give it has again at idle and the rpms would go to 1500 again and then drop below 500 (car sputters and stalling but not shutting off) then rpms back to around 1000 or sometimes 1500. I've only had the car for a month or so and driven it maybe 60 kms total. One long drive from scarbourgh to Mississauga and the rest just test drives after mechanic fixed the clutch pedal issue.
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I was gonna take the ecu today but changed my mind due to weather and will go Monday instead. It's a place in Mississauga Called Danmax Electronics. Anyone been there before? When I spoke to them they said they have fixed hundreds of Mitsubishi ecu's and say they usually go bad.
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Does the crank angle sensor not send the spark signal? He said it was up to 3k RPM that it would sputter.
It's probably not the plug order, but does it really take that long to check the plug order that it wouldn't be worth a check?
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If you think it's the wires, you can check them with an ohm meter.
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Does the crank angle sensor not send the spark signal? I'd be happy to provide you an explanation, but given that it does not pertain to this thread, I would rather do it elsewhere. I don't mean to be offensive, I just notice that every new DSMer that comes on here with an issue gets sent down a half dozen blind alleys. Awais - If you would like to check your wires, that is your prerogative. You will find they are in the right order. Testing spark plug wires with an ohm meter is pointless. Given that there's nothing wrong with your wires, testing them by any procedure at this point would also be pointless. You checked for fuel. Good. Now check for spark.
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Does the crank angle sensor not send the spark signal? I'd be happy to provide you an explanation, but given that it does not pertain to this thread, I would rather do it elsewhere. I don't mean to be offensive, I just notice that every new DSMer that comes on here with an issue gets sent down a half dozen blind alleys. Awais - If you would like to check your wires, that is your prerogative. You will find they are in the right order. Testing spark plug wires with an ohm meter is pointless. Given that there's nothing wrong with your wires, testing them by any procedure at this point would also be pointless. You checked for fuel. Good. Now check for spark. No offense taken. However when I was changing the plugs I noticed one of the wire was loose meaning it doesn't click into the distributor properly. They are taylor 8mm wires. I widened the clip end of the wire and now it's a little better but still no go. And the boot on the end of two wire boot came off when pulling them from the spark plugs. I appreciate the help and I understand where you are coming from. I don't want to go checking or purchasing parts blindly either. Will check for spark today and will report back. Also will confirm if I have fuel coming by removing the spark plug after a try at starting the car.
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No offense taken. However when I was changing the plugs I noticed one of the wire was loose meaning it doesn't click into the distributor properly. They are taylor 8mm wires. I widened the clip end of the wire and now it's a little better but still no go. And the boot on the end of two wire boot came off when pulling them from the spark plugs.
That can be problematic so it's good you noticed it. The reason I'm saying your wires are fine is because you say it runs perfectly fine at times, other than the fact that it stalls after 5 seconds. That wouldn't be possible with wires in a bad order, or an unplugged wire, etc. Also, our engines are perfectly capable of running without one cylinder, so you're looking for something that affects at least two of them, intermittently. However, as a side note, I would replace your Taylor wires with the factory NGKs found here as soon as possible.
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Might be a dumb question but you did replace the 4 year fuel in the tank?
It most likely wouldnt cause your sometimes runs fine problem but it could be cause of the others. Yes there was barely any in the car. Ran it out and put fresh 91 to the top.
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You will need to chose a place to upload your stuff first then post the link. My two choices are google picasa and dropbox.
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Guys we have spark on all 4 wires. The spark plugs I put in 2 days ago and u can see they're fowling really badly. They're brand new plugs. They were black and smelled funky and the black gunk is like oil.
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Getting gas going to the fuel rail. Took the line that goes from the fuel filter into the fuel rail off, asked my brother to crank it and gas went pouring into the cloth I was covering the line with.
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December 13, 2014 12:47 am UTC
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What's a socket? And I know the ecu looks fine to the eye but could there be something funky going on electronically? I mean I have spark and I am getting fuel. Thing just doesn't wanna start. Could it be the CAS? Thank god this isn't my daily lol. Have a 89 probe. Phew lol
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Understood. I will do some more tests tomorrow or Sunday I havent checked the injectors yet. Could my coil pack me going? And I am not sure when the last owner did the timing belt job. Car has 142000 kms.
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The plugs are oily. I just wiped them clean. And I gaped them to around .028. Gas came pouring out with a bit of pressure. And when I disconnected the line there wasn't any pressure on the fuel rail. I will do a compression test soon.
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December 13, 2014 02:02 am UTC
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Yea when I took the line from fuel rail there was no pressure it just opened up without any dramatic effects. However when I aksed my brother to crank the car gas came pouring out that it wet the whole rag in about 2 seconds.
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The ECU looks fine.
I would also suggest pinching your fuel return line to see what happens. If your regulator isn't holding enough pressure, you won't get enough fuel to keep the car running. Pinching the line is a makeshift way of applying the pressure to the rail when your regulator cannot.
Gasoline is a cleaner; last time I was flooding, my plugs came out with a mirror finish. Only one plug was semi clean. The rest dark and black and gunky. I think it could be the fuel pump or the fuel pressure regulator. I will pinch the wire and check.
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Oh man I'm so relieved. I will look it up how to do a fuel pressure test. I just hope I don't have to change the fuel pump. Cuz from what I heard its a pain to do it.
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GUYS!!!!! I pinched the return line and the car started like it was nothing. U guys are great help. What should the next step be? Awesome Technically, the next step would be do to a proper fuel pressure test. That would tell you if it's the pump or regulator. I would guess it's the regulator, but as I said a while back you might want to squirt some penetrating oil on the fuel sending unit studs in your trunk. If you ever end up taking it out, you'll be happy you started soaking them now.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 03:14 am UTC
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A question. With how much pressure would fuel pour out of the line from the line to the fuel rail? And where exactly is the fuel pump? Is it near the left side of the trunk near the end? Cuz I did see a black cover there but the battery holder is on top of it. I will change the regulator and hope that's what the issue is. I've changed the fuel pump in my 89 ford Probe myself and it wasn't so hard. I will get the fuel sending unit from Rtm also.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 04:20 am UTC
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No need to spend money on a new sending unit unless you really want to, just drill yours out and put in a bulkhead if that's the route you really want to go.
As Jeremy said soak them, I broke 4 out of the 6 on mine and it's been a headache since.
Maybe someone has there old fuel pressure regulator laying around, I would give you mine but it's with someone else that was having similar issues.
You can also spend a little money and get an adjustable fuel regulator, and throw a gauge on that, especially if you ever plan on upgrading the pump in the future.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 04:51 am UTC
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Well the cars not gonna b driven this winter. I was planing on working on it and upgrading it slowly and bring it on the road this summer. I will upgrade both the fuel pump and the regulator.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 14, 2014 05:40 pm UTC
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We had 3 meets this last summer, as long as people are motivated they do happen.
If you are going to do the upgrade I would go aftermarket filter with -6 from pump to rail. Nice easy upgrade.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 15, 2014 08:49 pm UTC
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Bad news guys. I got a fpr from roman and even after putting that one in the car struggles to start. I still have to clamp the return line to start it and keep it on. If I disconnect the car struggles to stay alive, rpms go low and the car wants to die if I give it gas it bogs and backfires.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 15, 2014 09:46 pm UTC
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When it's clamped up its fine other then running hella rich and exhaust reeking of gas. I'm just gonna get an adjustable fpr and do the fuel filter and pump at the same time.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 15, 2014 10:30 pm UTC
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I unplugged the mass and the car started without the return being clamped. I plugged it back in and the car wanted to die and sputters. So I think it's the mass
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 15, 2014 10:32 pm UTC
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I borrowed a line wrench from a neighbor and I sprayed penetrating fluid on the hard line on the fuel filter. I'm gonna have a crack at it tomorrow. Cars too hot rite now I had it running for a bit trying to figure the issue. Which I think is the mass air flow sensor.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 01:30 am UTC
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1g base fuel, 37 psi, with the vacuum hose off.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 01:53 am UTC
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And I tee in on top of the fuel filter right? But my car has stainless steel braided thick lines from the filter to the rail. Previous owner was running nitrous on it and did some mods. I'll take a pic.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 03:21 am UTC
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That's true. I'll figure a way to test my fuel pressure. I'll post a pic of the fuel filter setup and please let me the easiest way to do this test. I'm very new to this stuff. However in technically inclined.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 12:24 pm UTC
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Well just so you know you have made it much further than most newbies we see on the board. I am sure you will have this thing up and running soon enough.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 04:06 pm UTC
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If you already have AN lines on there than something like this would work.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 04:31 pm UTC
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That's true. I'll figure a way to test my fuel pressure. I'll post a pic of the fuel filter setup and please let me the easiest way to do this test. I'm very new to this stuff. However in technically inclined. You're doing great, don't worry! You'll pick it up quickly. If you're still on the stock fuel filter, then as Rob said they make THIS to allow you to easily get a fuel pressure reading at your filter.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 08:44 pm UTC
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I think the lines might be bigger then -6 an. They are pretty thick. How do I check if they are -6 or -8 an lines? I'm just being patient. And Roman Cullen has been helping me as well. He hooked me up with a fpr and Is willing to lend me an ecu as well. I'm just taking it slow and work on it when I get home from work. I'll get that adapter from rtm. I asked a member to post the pics of the fuel filter I took. Hopefully he posts them soon so u guys can see what I'm working with.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 09:06 pm UTC
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It is unlikely they are -8an. That is not very common, especially if the line up to the filter was still stock. IN all likelihood it will be -6an lines you have. Hey Ziggy. Nice to see u here.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 09:32 pm UTC
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Yeah I would say -6 looks right. Where does the line that was for NOS go to?
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 09:40 pm UTC
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IMO I would delete that "T" at the filter and replace it while there. Then run the -6an to the rail, then from the rail to the FPR and from the FPR back to your return line. It's how I have mine set up. Unless you have plans to use the NOS. Which I have to assume is the "wet" system. Given it's plumbed into your fuel line. I'm not very knowledgeable on NOS systems so hopefully another member can chime in about that. Other than that, welcome to the board Awais. Glad to see a new member here willing to get their hands dirty
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Re: 1g NO START
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IMO I would delete that "T" at the filter and replace it while there. Then run the -6an to the rail, then from the rail to the FPR and from the FPR back to your return line. It's how I have mine set up. Unless you have plans to use the NOS. Which I have to assume is the "wet" system. Given it's plumbed into your fuel line. I'm not very knowledgeable on NOS systems so hopefully another member can chime in about that. Other than that, welcome to the board Awais. Glad to see a new member here willing to get their hands dirty Nos is all booked up. The solenoids are there. I'm not sure what kinda system it is as im new to Nos also. And I certainly don't want to use it either. I do want to remove it altogether and sell if it anything. But that work is extensive and I don't want to mess with the electric bit of it. I don't mind getting my hands dirty. This way I'm learning about the car as I go along. I have a 89 probe that I've done most of the work on. The talon has already made me sweat, bleed and cuss a lot lol. But I do want to get it going. And yea if u suggest it I will remove the "T" from the fuel filter. And run it the way ur saying it.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 09:52 pm UTC
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Yeah it's a wet system. I have spent the last week doing a sh!t load of research on NOS since the MCM boys stuck it in the s2000. It's odd that the lines goes back to the tank though cause the mixing can pretty much happen right before it goes into the intake.
I would however advice you to do what Mike suggested and remove the T, best to get rid of any variables that don't need to be there.
The reason your img didn't work is because you have to end it with [/img]
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 09:57 pm UTC
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2 lines go to the Magnus intake and I think one big line from the trunk where the bottle would be. I will take the "T" off but I just want to make sure where that line goes, I think it's the one for the bottle if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 17, 2014 12:50 am UTC
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The previous owner told me that nitrous cools the turbo. That's the reason y he added it. Anyway I do want to get Rid of it and all those unnecessary wires.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 17, 2014 01:30 am UTC
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Is the tank still in the car? I'd be interested in seeing how and where it's mounted.
Also, your tb vacuum ports are likely better looped than blocked with metal screws. Although this will have nothing to do with your no start, just an FYI.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 17, 2014 01:45 am UTC
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Loop them back around to another port at the top of the TB.
4 ports, 2 loops. And if you don't have the mini clamps at least throw on a zip tie onto the them to hold them down from popping off under boost. It already looks like they're about to.
I suggest you run a few tests to check the health of your car;
- boost leak test. - compression test. - leak down test. - coolant test/flush.
Also checking the fluids drained from the drivetrain.
Getting the car up to par with servicing would be my next priority after diagnosing and repairing the no start.
There's TONS of info here and as you can tell, many members willing to help.
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Re: 1g NO START
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Loop them back around to another port at the top of the TB.
4 ports, 2 loops. And if you don't have the mini clamps at least throw on a zip tie onto the them to hold them down from popping off under boost. It already looks like they're about to.
I suggest you run a few tests to check the health of your car;
- boost leak test. - compression test. - leak down test. - coolant test/flush.
Also checking the fluids drained from the drivetrain.
Getting the car up to par with servicing would be my next priority after diagnosing and repairing the no start.
That's exactly in the order of testing and Servicing that I was planning on doing. Just need this thing to start lol
There's TONS of info here and as you can tell, many members willing to help.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 17, 2014 02:59 am UTC
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A few proper vacuum port caps work aswell. The P is useful for a boost gauge source seeing as it isnt being used.
But lets not put the cart before the horse. You got a nice mess to clean up before you need to mod it.
Get your fuel pressure tested. Set up you base timing, clean up tte mess of wiring and get all you basic maintanence done. Car already has a boost gauge not sure what source they using. Which P are u talking abt? On the throttle body? Can u post a pic please
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 17, 2014 01:57 pm UTC
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You just connect a vacuum line to it and run it into the cabin
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