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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #432701
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Thanks, Alex.
I am really struggling as to where I should put it, I think I need one that is shorter so I can get it in the stock location.
That will be a big project cause my plan will be clean it and then find any oil leaks. I have a lot of sweat going on all over the engine bay and after some work it's gotten better but there are still places where I have this issue.


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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #433473
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So I was spending the last little while trying to find a wiring issue on my car. I am still searching for the cause but I got distracted because while searching last tuesday I heard a pop from under my seat, then when I pushed on the seat it was creaking like crazy. So I removed the seats, the rear bolts came out great but the fronts came out like this.
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Needless to say I was pissed, so I made up a plate and put a bolt through it, welded the bolt to the place and then tossed it in on ones side, once the one side was done than I went on and did the other side.
I had picked up bondoglass because I am planning to fix up my roof, so I decided to use it cause I wanted to make sure the floor was flush with here it was before and I lap welded the pieces in so I needed to add a little bit.
[Linked Image]
After sanding it down and painting it it now looks like this and the seats are back in. While I made the glass I decided to plug my antenna hole too, and will post pics of that later.
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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #433487
September 29, 2014 11:46 pm UTC
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Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
... so I made up a plate and put a bolt through it, welded the bolt to the place and then tossed it in on ones side, once the one side was done than I went on and did the other side.
I had picked up bondoglass because I am planning to fix up my roof, so I decided to use it cause I wanted to make sure the floor was flush with here it was before and I lap welded the pieces in so I needed to add a little bit.


You welded the bolt to the plate and bondoglass it over the rusted area on the floor?


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Welded the bolt to a place and the welded the plate into the hole I cut out, all rust was removed.
Because the plate was recessed under where the floor used to be so I used the bondo to make it even.


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Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
Welded the bolt to a place and the welded the plate into the hole I cut out, all rust was removed.
Because the plate was recessed under where the floor used to be so I used the bondo to make it even.


Thanks for clearing that up Bryan.
Whats next on your to-do list?


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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
You welded the bolt to the plate and bondoglass it over the rusted area on the floor?


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Lol. Danger to manifold. Then the floor pan pops off.. Thanks F&F for making DSMs look stupid.

Anyway, nice job Bryan!

It's gratifying being proactive about rust isn't it? It's like the value of the car increases.

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Originally Posted by Mike Eng
Lol. Danger to manifold. Then the floor pan pops off.. Thanks F&F for making DSMs look stupid.

Anyway, nice job Bryan!

It's gratifying being proactive about rust isn't it? It's like the value of the car increases.

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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #433503
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Where did you find clean strong metal to weld to when it started like this?
[Linked Image]

I would take the car to one of the members on the board who understand welding more then the rest of us to fix this properly, this isn't exactly a spot you just want to 'wing' a repair... Don't want it to turn into a death trap during an accident.

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Terry it doesn't take a genius to find good metal, I cut back further than you can see right now to find some though.

Thanks Mike! But unfortunately I have to agree with Sal, lately it's been just doing stuff when issues come up, but I am going to pick up a piece of sheet metal this week and get on the rockers before the winters.

Lucian, I am there. If it wasn't for the fact I was bleeding money with all the down payments we have had to make for the wedding I would have probably grab something. I am tempted to grab that Perry kids car that came on here looking for help. It has all the sh!t done that I need to get done so it would work perfectly.


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Even if that work you did isn't right, it's certainly better than what it looked like before. Sometimes starting small leads to finishing big. I was wrong in the past to call you crazy for not using the fugitive as a shell, when I never even saw it. So I apologize for that. It's not like me to create animosity or express negativity and I encourage you to do what you can with what you've got. At the end of the day, it's all about gaining experience and knowledge.

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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #433508
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Yeah that's true but I abused the sh!t out of it before I put the seat back on so I think it will be good.
No worries, the only difference between my car and the fugitive is that mine was undercoated, the rest of the car was probably a bit better but not enough for it to be worth it.
100% agree with you Mike, which is exactly why this car has lasted as long as it has.
If it was about having a perfect car it would have been gone long ago!

Thanks man!


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So I didn't want to head out into the snow until I fully fixed the rockers on the car. That will probably happen through out the winter now but I did fix the one piece I really needed to before taking it out into the snow.
Here is after poking out all the rust.
[Linked Image]
After some trimming
[Linked Image]
Little more trimming and the first panel in
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After the second panel and some paint
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Looking good!


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Did you do anything to the rust in behind? Or do you care?

My OCD would have kicked in and there would be nothing left rust wise and countless hours spent haha.


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Definitely looks better than before.

Maybe wire brush in behind? Looks like more grinding than brushing though.

Good stuff Bryan! Your welding skills are coming along nicely. tu


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I wouldn't say I don't care but as I removed as much as I could, but it definitely wasn't rust free in there. I ended up spraying a sh!t load of rust converter in there before I closed it up though. I know the car isn't going to last me forever so I don't mind if it isn't perfect.

Yeah if it wasn't for the flappy sanding disc on my angle grinder I don't think I would have patience to do any of this. Definitely glad I grabbed a dremel though makes cutting much nicer.

Thanks Mike, I really enjoy welding, body panels are just a bitch sometimes because of how thin they are. I figured the front quarter would be the same thickness but the body panels are at least a few gauges thinner.


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Love how you keep this thing going. 1ga love!


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Haha thanks Roman, plan to keep her going for at least another year or two, then start hunting for something clean.


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Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
plan to keep her going for at least another year or two, then start hunting for something clean.


Who are you and what have you done with Bryan?!?! tongue

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Haha, you expected me to keep this one forever!?


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Originally Posted by Terry Sikora
Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
plan to keep her going for at least another year or two, then start hunting for something clean.


Who are you and what have you done with Bryan?!?! tongue


It's the same Bryan we know! It all started with 300+whp, rally car, ..., ..., and now
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at least another year or two, then start hunting for something clean.


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Haha, well who knows what the future brings!! 300 will happen soon enough. Rally is a fairly expensive hobby so that's on hold for a least a while.

I think if I had to have a goal for the car right now it would be continue to beat it up and enjoy it. The stock suspension was probably one of my best choices so far.


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Rally would be a god choice if you plan on trying rallying. Break it...send it to the scrap, keep the engine/tranny and start with a better shell.


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I will have to at least go to a tall pines event and get in the pits, I don't think I have a full understanding of what would be needed, even though Derek has given plenty of insight, but I still would want to run through the breakdown of cost.


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So I decided I would paint my roof cause I want the car to be black, from at least the sills up like factory.
I got some good high build primer and picked up tremclad.
http://www.rustoleum.ca/CBGProduct.asp?pid=7
The one linked above is the one I used, overall I would say avoid this pain as much as you can, if you get it right it looks really good but it's a huge bitch to get it right and overall I would say it's worth it. Most paint cans these days have nice nozzles that have a nice straight spray pattern but this just does a circle like your basic can. I picked up some fancy paint match from CT and that's what I will be doing the sides with.

I will post up some pictures later as everything is still taped off right now so want to get a pick with it all back together.
It's not perfect but I am definitely much more happy with it this way than the way it was before.


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Definitely interested to see how it turned out!

Spray pattern can definitely have some significant effects on the paint quality. For the most part, I recommend that people NOT use spray bombs on their exterior. Spray bombs typically have no hardener in them whatsoever; you may find that paint gets taken off by the elements quite easily. That being said, I have heard that Tremclad holds its own better than most.

I had to paint a few spots on the undercarriage this winter after scraping off the surface rust. I decided to grab some paint through Eastwood that actually has a canister of hardener in the middle of the can. Pop the canister open, and you've got 48 hours of proper 2K paint with hardener. The spray patterns available with those cans were amazing; it's going to be hard to go back to the cheap stuff I get through work!


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Spray pattern definitely makes a huge difference!! I was really happy with the primer going on, so I will try to stick with that type of nozzle.
At this point I would agree with you, spray bomb is not really the way, I was too frustrated doing that roof, I will update when I do the side but yeah the consistency was not there and I couldn't even pull off the nozzle to switch.
This car is pretty far gone so just testing stuff so I know what to do going forward.


That's some wicked looking stuff!!


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Tremclad is probably one of the worst paints you can use on a car as it never really hardens so if you ever want to sand it, good luck. Enamel is also very UV unstable and breaks down in the sun faster than most paints.

A cheap acrylic or urethane in a gravity feed gun will turn out far better and last longer.


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Will have to check what the rest of the stuff in the garage is. I was not aware that paint type made much of a difference especially because this stuff said it was for painting rust so I figured it would work well with any metal.


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The fade issue won't be as terrible with black but it will loose it's shine in less than a year.

Here's a little read on how you can get ok results with Tremclad, however it will still fade.

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/can-you-spray-tremclad-71202.html


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Thanks Jason!!

Alright here are pics, if my car was as nice as most of the guys on this board I would probably be really pissed, but for me it works and it's better than the sh!t that was there before.

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Will button her back up tonight probably.
Also should add that I think if I did a nice wet sand now it would be where I want it gloss wise.


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1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
1999 Eclipse GST Automagic
1991 3000GT VR-4
Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #446463
February 08, 2016 10:46 am UTC
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Well this is the end of this thread.

I went to take the talon out on the weekend and both the power steering and the brake fluid is leaking. From what I can see it looks like the brake booster is what is leaking for the brakes, which would explain the weird behaviors I was having when braking sometimes. When I went under the car to find the power steering leak I found a completely rotted line, it could be replaced but I imagine that I would be braking bolts to remove the lower cross member to get to all that stuff. While I was down there I also saw how rotted out the bottom has continued to get even though I have tried to stop all that.
I know I have been saying for the longest time that this day would come but it's much harder to believe now that it's actually here. I will now actively be evaluating what my options are and will keep you guys update on what I get. When I do get something I will start a whole new thread.


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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #446464
February 08, 2016 12:45 pm UTC
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Are you going to look at another 1g?


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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #446465
February 08, 2016 12:57 pm UTC
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The front subframe and all the stuff attached to it should actually come off quite easily. Of everything on my car, it went the smoothest and with the least fight despite never having been touched since the car was built. My car isn't quite as old or rusty ad yours but it has a lot of mileage and saw some winters prior to my owning it.

I also have a full, excellent condition power rack (lines included) that I have no need for anymore (manual rack conversion in process) that I would let go for very little.

Sad to see this happen but we (collectively) have the parts and the knowhow to fix it if that's what you want.


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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #446466
February 08, 2016 01:47 pm UTC
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True story! +1 ^^^^^

I do have that 1gb parts car if you need my help.


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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #446469
February 08, 2016 02:26 pm UTC
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If I was going to do it I would be pulling everything out so I can do it proper and looking at all the rust I don't feel it's worth continuing with this shell. It is also rotted in the interior as you saw from my seat coming loose and I no longer think it's worth my time.

I have two options I am currently looking at. I have a shell and then I have a shell with block and some stuff in it. I am going to weigh the cost of building the block myself and look what's needed and decide which approach to take. And yes both are 1ga smile
Appreciate the help, will definitely call on you guys for help and parts when I need it!


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Re: Love and Hate [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #446470
February 08, 2016 02:49 pm UTC
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It finally happened.

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