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That's gotta suck #441876 July 31, 2015 08:27 pm UTC July 31, 2015 08:27 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,607 Brampton, Ontario Guillaume Berton OP Insane Member
Guillaume Berton OP Insane Member Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,607 Brampton, Ontario	https://www.facebook.com/EJ207/videos/853447278064171/?fref=nf "Looked at it, declared war and went to find my throwing wrenches."

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441881 July 31, 2015 10:13 pm UTC July 31, 2015 10:13 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 9,968 Caledon, Ontario, Canada Bryan Lawrence Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Bryan Lawrence Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 9,968 Caledon, Ontario, Canada	Saw the partout for that car a few days later. "Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD "Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD Checkout DSMFAQ.com!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441884 July 31, 2015 11:25 pm UTC July 31, 2015 11:25 pm UTC
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,504 Your girlfriend's closet L Lucian Marta Insane Member
Lucian Marta Insane Member L Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,504 Your girlfriend's closet	What a shame People say Subarus understeer a lot. Maybe compared to an Evo they do, but out of the box or modded they're much better handling than a similar DSM which all they do is push for the most part. And I don't like Subarus per-say, but I will give them that. I got to drive a stock WRX wagon in the winter back to back with my black awd 1g, and it was a lot more enjoyable and precise in the snow. 1993 TSi AWD 2008 Evo GSR 2011 Ralliart 2012 Ralliart 2011 RVR GT

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441889 August 01, 2015 02:45 am UTC August 01, 2015 02:45 am UTC
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,055 Stanstead, Quebec Jason Drew Insane Member
Jason Drew Insane Member Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,055 Stanstead, Quebec	His name is Kenny Kline, he works for Dynotech tuning, he's got more than one dsm and tons of resources so not the end of the world for him fortunately. I've always had a bit of a few of drag racing with some high HP rwd drives as I've seen some damn close calls when they get squirly, actually seen a collision at our local track. 1997 Eclipse GST - AWD swapped - TPC - GT Spec powered 2023 - 9.63 - 145mph

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441897 August 01, 2015 01:29 pm UTC August 01, 2015 01:29 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON	Seems like that car wasn't built to turn or it was driver error.. But shitty none the less. '99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441899 August 01, 2015 03:29 pm UTC August 01, 2015 03:29 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	He would have had him if he launched and held on to it. Looks like the first turn he hammered on it.. And lost it a bit so he let off. Then when to hammer it agan in the next straight but lot control of the steering. It dosent look like it was a handlinv issue.. He was out of the turn and accelerating. Maybe too much wheel spin with out letting off to gain control. In fear that he would have lost. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441900 August 01, 2015 03:33 pm UTC August 01, 2015 03:33 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	Eitherway.. Thats a track biult for stock cars.. With less power. and brains. Prolly why the Subie did so well. Lal Not a good track for a high hp Talon. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441933 August 02, 2015 05:55 pm UTC August 02, 2015 05:55 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 121 Cornwall, Ontario B Bryan OShaughnessy Regular Member
Bryan OShaughnessy Regular Member B Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 121 Cornwall, Ontario	That was some of the most erratic driving I've ever seen on a track lol He couldn't accept his fate when the Subby took the bottom line... Looks like a fun little event though 1989 Dodge Colt GT 4G63T 16G PHP: 1

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Mike Eng] #441934 August 02, 2015 06:27 pm UTC August 02, 2015 06:27 pm UTC
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,055 Stanstead, Quebec Jason Drew Insane Member
Jason Drew Insane Member Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,055 Stanstead, Quebec	Originally Posted by Mike Eng Seems like that car wasn't built to turn or it was driver error.. But shitty none the less. He's raced that track many times with great results, it was just driver error. I think its the first race I saw him not in the lead and he tried to hit the corner too fast to catch up. 1997 Eclipse GST - AWD swapped - TPC - GT Spec powered 2023 - 9.63 - 145mph

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441937 August 02, 2015 09:02 pm UTC August 02, 2015 09:02 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	He didnt hit the corner too fast.. he handled the second corner well, he came out of the apex full out, which he should have.. But the tires spun cause of the over powered car.. and he lost control of the car. Looked like he was hoping the tires would grab again, and he would shoot into the lead... But they never did. just smoked and slid into the wall. I dont see under steer at all. If he jndersteered or over ran the corner.. He would have hit the wall way earlier. Some people on the thread said that he driver reported something broke and leaked on the front tire. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441954 August 03, 2015 02:09 pm UTC August 03, 2015 02:09 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON	It's understeer all day long. And something broke...? Is a viable but poor excuse really. '99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441960 August 03, 2015 02:26 pm UTC August 03, 2015 02:26 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	In a way you could call it under steer... But under steer is a product of improper suspension and power distrubution. that looked like just the tires breaking loose once the boost hit... And not letting go. We could debate it all we want.. But either way.. The car was too over powered for that track. DsMs dont have the right power band for small track racing.. Thats why you dont see many dsms in time attack. Put them in a drag race.. Or a more open road coarse.. The DSm would have destroyed the subie. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441964 August 03, 2015 05:19 pm UTC August 03, 2015 05:19 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON	Agree with you there! Lol '99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441965 August 03, 2015 06:45 pm UTC August 03, 2015 06:45 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,940 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Michael Lee Insane Member
Michael Lee Insane Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,940 Toronto, Ontario, Canada	There's another video of him killing it with another 1G. Something must've gone wrong with the 1G that went into the wall. 1997 Eclipse GST/X Eat in small amounts. Otherwise be prepared to paint toilet bowls~ Mike Eng

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Jay Stacey] #441970 August 04, 2015 01:01 am UTC August 04, 2015 01:01 am UTC
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 551 Trenton,Ontario C Corte Beech Serious Member
Corte Beech Serious Member C Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 551 Trenton,Ontario	Originally Posted by Jay Stacey that looked like just the tires breaking loose once the boost hit... And not letting go. Uh Jay, that is pretty much the definition of understeer.

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Corte Beech] #441971 August 04, 2015 01:04 am UTC August 04, 2015 01:04 am UTC
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1,950 Guelph, Ontario Jeremy Gilbert Serious Member
Jeremy Gilbert Serious Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1,950 Guelph, Ontario	Originally Posted by Corte Beech Originally Posted by Jay Stacey that looked like just the tires breaking loose once the boost hit... And not letting go. Uh Jay, that is pretty much the definition of understeer. Corte, where you been man? 1995 TSi AWD 11.7@119 1.8 60' - Curse of the Bad Driver PHP: 0

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441972 August 04, 2015 01:32 am UTC August 04, 2015 01:32 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	Nope.. The defintion of understeer is the cars front tires loosing traction before the rear tires while exacuting a turn. He was coming out of the turn And was accelerating to pass the Subie in the straight. All 4 tires broke loose and somethjng either went wrong... Or he figured the car would grip again and held his foot to the floor. That how I see it anyway.. The first corner was a good example of under steer and he let off. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Jay Stacey] #441973 August 04, 2015 01:59 am UTC August 04, 2015 01:59 am UTC
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Pickering M Mike Degli Angeli Insane Member
Mike Degli Angeli Insane Member M Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Pickering	Originally Posted by Jay Stacey Nope.. The defintion of understeer is the cars front tires loosing traction before the rear tires while exacuting a turn. He was coming out of the turn And was accelerating to pass the Subie in the straight. All 4 tires broke loose and somethjng either went wrong... Or he figured the car would grip again and held his foot to the floor. That how I see it anyway.. The first corner was a good example of under steer and he let off. Jay, when i see you at the shootout i'm going to explain understeer/oversteer to you Never fear a challenge, Amateurs built the Ark, Professionals built the Titanic.

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441977 August 04, 2015 02:38 am UTC August 04, 2015 02:38 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	How is what I said "NOT" understeer.. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #441996 August 04, 2015 05:01 pm UTC August 04, 2015 05:01 pm UTC
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Pickering M Mike Degli Angeli Insane Member
Mike Degli Angeli Insane Member M Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 Pickering	Understeer and oversteer is the difference in angle from the direction you point the wheels and the direction the car goes which results in something called a slip angle. The guy in the video did not point the wheels towards the wall which is obvious but it still went to the wall therefore it understeered into the wall! Never fear a challenge, Amateurs built the Ark, Professionals built the Titanic.

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #442016 August 04, 2015 08:22 pm UTC August 04, 2015 08:22 pm UTC
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,398 Ajax, ON Reza Mirza Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Reza Mirza Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,398 Ajax, ON	Man I feel sorry for that RPF1 ! Another 1g bites the dust, what else is new 1G DSM: 1000+ AWHP, 9.2@162.83 MPH Evo X: 746 AWHP, XR9569S pump gas www.dynotuneracing.com

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #442017 August 04, 2015 08:35 pm UTC August 04, 2015 08:35 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	Ya mike.. But understeer is only when the front tires loose traction first causing the car to keep going straight while turning... Or just not turning sharp enough.. Which we are both right.. But I dont think that is what happened in the video. I hink he full throttled in attempt to pass the subie drag strip style...and when the boost hit, the car just spun its wheels and no matter which direction the car was pointed.... It was gonna head for the wall. His turning wheels, I think was not understeer... But trying desperatly to avoid hitying the wall he was aready heading for. But the car wheels were pointing forward when he lost control of the vehicle. Thats all Im saying.. I think that he was to stuborn to loose the race and paniced in anger, loosing control because of foward wheel spin. I mean look at tbe guy in the end.. He was really upset with loosing against a stock subie. Last edited by Jay Stacey; August 04, 2015 08:37 pm UTC. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #442018 August 04, 2015 08:47 pm UTC August 04, 2015 08:47 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Mike Eng Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,809 Ottawa, ON	I think he was more pissed off for writing off his car on a track. Insurance won't cover anything there. His reaction has nothing to do with the Subie Our car's, will 9 times out of 10, understeer..rather than oversteer. And that applies to all AWD and FWD DSM's IMO. This is one of the 9 times lol Especially considering it was an oval track. '99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Jay Stacey] #442026 August 05, 2015 12:07 am UTC August 05, 2015 12:07 am UTC
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 551 Trenton,Ontario C Corte Beech Serious Member
Corte Beech Serious Member C Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 551 Trenton,Ontario	Originally Posted by Jay Stacey Ya mike.. But understeer is only when the front tires loose traction first causing the car to keep going straight while turning... Or just not turning sharp enough.. Which we are both right.. But I dont think that is what happened in the video. I hink he full throttled in attempt to pass the subie drag strip style...and when the boost hit, the car just spun its wheels and no matter which direction the car was pointed.... It was gonna head for the wall. His turning wheels, I think was not understeer... But trying desperatly to avoid hitying the wall he was aready heading for. But the car wheels were pointing forward when he lost control of the vehicle. Thats all Im saying.. I think that he was to stuborn to loose the race and paniced in anger, loosing control because of foward wheel spin. I mean look at tbe guy in the end.. He was really upset with loosing against a stock subie. You just explained understeer again. It can happen regardless if your on or off the throttle. Start at 4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bih3-JHuy4&feature=youtu.be

Re: That's gotta suck [Re: Guillaume Berton] #442028 August 05, 2015 01:48 am UTC August 05, 2015 01:48 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783 Belleville Ontario	Eh... What ever... I was learning to deal with understeer before I knew it had a name. Hehe. And I still say if he had a 100hp awd car.. He would have been fine. Anyway I showed my stock car driver buddie. He says its not a typical understeer... But it did end up in understeering into the wall. Siad the driver entered the corner completely wrong from the start. As he exited the corner he was all wrong and the momentum with the allwheel spin threw him off his line. Should have used a diamond method with a high powered awd and he would have came out of the corner in a better situation and had a better chance of getting beside the subie. 11.45@125, stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head. 272 hks cams. Holset hx35 Backyard biult!!

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