Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 09, 2015 11:32 am UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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So trying to figure out if this is something I need to worry about now that I am not driving the car at least once every two weeks. So at around the 3 week mark my car starts to get hard to start, it take 3 or 4 extra cranks and then starts right up. If it's been less than 2 weeks it starts on the 2nd or 3rd crank on first try.
Here is where I am concerned and not sure if it is really something I need to worry about. The car has sat for probably a little over a month so I decided I would take it out. Battery was on the tender so no issues with charge. Was cranking at around 350ish rpms which I think we deemed normal a while back.
Now that the car is sitting more would like some advice for what I should be doing before I start it again or while it's sitting. Tender will be on but I have quick disconnects on both terminals so I can do that too.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
[Re: Bryan Lawrence]
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November 09, 2015 05:24 pm UTC
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Forgot to add that yesterday it took me probably 10 minutes to start it up. Fuel pump is setup to run so the system is pressurized. Maybe I should look into a block heater that might be a good idea.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
[Re: Bryan Lawrence]
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November 09, 2015 05:49 pm UTC
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I will need to get a compression tester and plugs haven't changed for a while so will take a look at them.
Also don't want to goof with the link setting because of how easy it starts when not sitting for weeks, but might see if I can improve both.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
[Re: Bryan Lawrence]
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November 10, 2015 01:04 pm UTC
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1. a year ago, I redid pump to rail 2. 3 months ago probably 3. Never 4. 3 or 4 years maybe 15k 5. Do them with the plugs.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 10, 2015 09:11 pm UTC
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The battery was working the whole time, I can try a boost as I have the box there so will give that a try. More amps will get the starter to crank higher?
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
[Re: Bryan Lawrence]
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November 11, 2015 01:51 am UTC
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Is there a way I can see how much amps the battery has? I know the CCA rating is a bit low but at full charge it wasn't an issue last winter.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 11, 2015 01:31 pm UTC
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Yeah I am thinking it's a bad motor, I will grab a compression tester and see where we are at. I imagine if I did a leak down test the results wouldn't be that great.
Now that I have a DD I should be going to get my spare block built.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 11, 2015 06:58 pm UTC
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Yeah I am thinking it's a bad motor, I will grab a compression tester and see where we are at. I imagine if I did a leak down test the results wouldn't be that great.
Now that I have a DD I should be going to get my spare block built. December 2014....plan to keep her going for at least another year or two, then start hunting for something clean. June 2014....I would love to scrap the blue one and use the shell as I know it's in better condition but I don't have the time and space to switch over the wiring harness. Also would love to rally build the blue one too but now is not the right time, we are searching for a house with 2 car garage and 2 parking spots so that this is no longer an issue but until than I have no space. Come on! Scrap the bi*ch and start something new! No excuses this time
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 11, 2015 08:32 pm UTC
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Ok that's helpful, thanks Reza will go over the lines.
I have a baby in two month, I would rather have a POS that runs than something I will stop working on in 2 month because of other priorities and then lose motivation. It will definitely happen just let give me some time.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 11, 2015 10:10 pm UTC
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Hey your's starts Mine does not. Although with the off season approaching, I'll actually have more time to myself..and I'll roll the sleeves up and get back in her. I also tend to think it's fuel or spark related. Are you burning oil?? - Rings are a possibility still. Battery - If it's cranking 400rpm for 10 minutes, I doubt it's it's the battery.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
[Re: Mike Eng]
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November 12, 2015 10:28 am UTC
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Are you burning oil?? - Rings are a possibility still. This is where my head was at when Jason said worn engine, this block was over heated twice in my first 6 months because I was completely clueless when I got the car, although the rings must have been shot then too because it couldn't make it to the next oil change before burning through oil, thinner oils where gone even faster. I am moving over to 40 weight and hopefully that helps a fair bit. As for Alex's comment, I am going to start keeping my eye out for a shell. I started working on the garage some more (pictures soon) and if I can find a rolling shell Alex's is right I don't have an excuse cause that complete swap becomes pretty easy if it's just the block. I am just a little paranoid that if it's not running when the kid is here that it will be too long of a wait to get it to that point. I love this board cause you guys are honest, don't ever think I don't appreciate that!
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 12, 2015 05:35 pm UTC
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I will do some hunting hopefully this weekend and figure it out, will update you guys when I get the chance. Thanks!!
Should I turn the pump on and hunt for leaks? or am I just checking to make sure everything is tight enough?
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 12, 2015 07:01 pm UTC
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Car smells like fuel so this definitely sounds plausible. I always just assumed it was because I didn't get a perfect seal when putting the sending unit back on. I will explore the rail.
I am pretty sure I have done that before as my AFPR doesn't hold well but will double check. Will replace injector seals too. I definitely noticed a smell of gas in the engine while trying to crank.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 12, 2015 07:01 pm UTC
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Turn your pump on via link and see what your fuel pressure is. I know I am ok here.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 12, 2015 07:18 pm UTC
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If it fails to start after 10mins of cranking and is getting fuel you would have flooded it and fouled the plugs having no chance at starting. Yet another reason why the air in the system makes sense.
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Re: Car Sits Hard Starts
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November 25, 2015 08:25 pm UTC
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Ok so going to do some hunting this weekend and hopefully eliminate any leaks. I haven't edited anything for startups so maybe I will just take a log and see what it looks like.
Anything else I should be looking for?
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