Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Ecmlink confusion #448624
May 17, 2016 08:28 pm UTC
May 17, 2016 08:28 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
So I might be creating an issue that doesn't exist, or chasing my own tail trying to get values to line up that never will. Regardless, I've been gathering info for like a week now and I've got questions that I can't find answers for.

I'll start by saying the tune it's on now I get 14.7 at cruise and idle, WOT the mix goes where it should also. (The numbers I'm referring to are the ones on the WB gauge). In link my fuel trims are also where they should be.

Over the winter again, I was learning as much as I could to better "dial in" my numbers to make the car daily drivable and get some better performance. One video I watched he explains how he uses WBfactor to get AFRest and WB to match by moving MAFcomp. - here is where my first question is: if my car is in a WOT scenario and the WB shows 10.5 but AFRest says 16, what is really going on? And which is right? the WB factor in said scenario is around -20% which getting them to match would mean less fuel?! (Moving MAFcomp down)
Also: looking at ECM101 it says NOT to use AFRest to tune your car?

Next question

In relation to getting the WB and AFRest to match would mean moving MAFcomp. So I went back and started at idle, and then started chasing my own tail... I'm trying to get my airflow/rev to .24. Mine sits at .20-.22 (no cams)
I can get it pretty much there by moving MAFcomp up and then getting dead time Right to get the STFT close to 0%

And then in relation to that: I used the suggested calculations for my injectors and reset fuel trims. I then found at idle trims were 0% but when I blip the throttle kinda simulating a cruise STFT seems to go -10%


So which way is right? Is my car perfectly fine running the way it is (WBfactor being off) or should I be making those match and ignore what my airflow/rev is at idle?

Bit of a read but any DSMlink gurus that can answer a few unusual questions would be great! Thanks




PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448625
May 17, 2016 08:44 pm UTC
May 17, 2016 08:44 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,808
Ontario, Canada
S
Salomon Ponte Offline
Insane Member
Salomon Ponte  Offline
Insane Member
*****
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,808
Ontario, Canada
What version of Link are you using and I assume you're running a MAF (and not SD) based on your post. Is this correct?

I'm about to leave work so I don't have time to fully read everything or write out much but off the bat, your WB should ideally match your AFREst at WOT or under any Open Loop conditions. At the end of the day, what's most important for the health of your engine is that the WB value is where it needs to be but if the WB and AFREst don't match up then changing your Fuel tables will be more of a guessing game than actual accurate tuning. Same goes with Boost and BoostEst, as this also affects your fueling.


'92 Talon TSi AWD - 5 Speed/E16G/12.385s @ 115.13mph
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448627
May 17, 2016 09:07 pm UTC
May 17, 2016 09:07 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Yes I'm running V3 and using GM MAF with translator.
My thinking then is this: if I pull the sliders down to get WB and AFRest to match... My WB will still hit the same WOT goals but pull that AFRest down thus adding more fuel?
And ignore idle airflow/rev since everything else lines up and fuel trims are nice?


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448628
May 17, 2016 11:57 pm UTC
May 17, 2016 11:57 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
is your mafclamp on?


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448630
May 18, 2016 01:33 am UTC
May 18, 2016 01:33 am UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
No Jay my MAFclamp isn't on. I think speed density might be in my future. After reading some of the flaws with a GM MAF with translator.

I was able to get out tonight to get a few cruise runs in and just looking at the fuel trims, where the AFRest and WB are they just aren't where I'd want and expect them to be.

I can't help but think the answer lies in my injector set-up, global and dead times. And like before they look great at idle but I'm not as happy with it on cruise. Maybe it's something I just gotta fiddle with and get more experience at to learn the finer details and little tricks to figuring it all out.


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448632
May 18, 2016 02:42 am UTC
May 18, 2016 02:42 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
I dont have much experience with links control of the gm maf.. but I have read it behaves better with the mafclamp on.

Can you still run a stock maf? Have you tried switching back?


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448634
May 18, 2016 10:00 am UTC
May 18, 2016 10:00 am UTC
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Bryan Lawrence Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Bryan Lawrence  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
***
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Kyle, you also don't need the translator.

What do you have it set as in Link, 2g maf? if not that's what it should be set at if you are using the translator.

But as I stated above thomas and team added direct support for MAF so you don't need the translator.

Also post up a log so we can take a look


"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD
"Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD
Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448635
May 18, 2016 10:12 am UTC
May 18, 2016 10:12 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
you still need the $80 cable.


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448636
May 18, 2016 11:26 am UTC
May 18, 2016 11:26 am UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Jay - I don't think MAFclamp will help me, from what I read it'll help with hz above 2000. Maybe if I didn't have I have the stock MAF but really don't wanna do that. I'll live with this until SD.

Bryan - yes I've got it set up as a 2g MAF which is the way to do it but, causes issues as the ecu assumes its way up front of the cone and not 9 from the throttle body. And like Jay said, $ for that cable I'd rather throw at SD.

I'll throw up a log later today. What you use to host?


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448639
May 18, 2016 01:25 pm UTC
May 18, 2016 01:25 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Bryan Lawrence Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Bryan Lawrence  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
***
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Yeah I think the whole SD setup can be head for the price of the cable.

I host on dropbox for logs.


"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD
"Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD
Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448652
May 18, 2016 08:30 pm UTC
May 18, 2016 08:30 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
This is a beast of a cruise. I think I was idling and making slider changes at the beginning. So skip to 1/2 way through the log if you want to see numbers that reflect the set up

https://www.dropbox.com/s/333v1a7m8iapi7i/long%20cruise.elg?dl=0

Hope the link works. Worked for me in the preview.


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448653
May 18, 2016 08:34 pm UTC
May 18, 2016 08:34 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
[Linked Image]



I would go back to srock maf just to rule out the airflow as a problem. SD is not a bandaid... and is much harder to dial in... if you have issues already.


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448654
May 18, 2016 09:41 pm UTC
May 18, 2016 09:41 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
So with that find Jay here's where there's confusion - that article you brought up speaks about MAF not MAF with a translator. The MAFcomp at 2700-3000Hz is like WOT and I'm guessing pushing seriously hard. But the thing about turbulent air I get and the flaws of using a MAF in the IC piping

I don't feel as if I'm having airflow problems. If I make changes in link I can easily see something happening.

My initial concern when I made this threat was how to get the AFRest and WideBand to match while still maintaining good fuel trims.

And my other question about what mixture is my car actually running if wideband says 11 and AFRest say 14

Last edited by Kyle Dolson; May 18, 2016 09:46 pm UTC.

PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448655
May 19, 2016 01:56 am UTC
May 19, 2016 01:56 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
Insane Member
Stephen Richardson  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
What firmware version are you running?

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448657
May 19, 2016 01:29 pm UTC
May 19, 2016 01:29 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Bryan Lawrence Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Bryan Lawrence  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
***
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Wideband is always correct. Your afrest and wideband should be matching at WOT, by adjusting your global. This should affect your fuel trims during idle, that should be your deadtimes.


"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD
"Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD
Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448661
May 19, 2016 05:56 pm UTC
May 19, 2016 05:56 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Toronto
J
Jroslaw plawski Offline
Regular Member
Jroslaw plawski  Offline
Regular Member
J
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Toronto
Ok, this is how it goes (any maf or SD). To tune the idle set the proper airflow per rev (0.25 -0.27), make sure fuel trims are in check +- 3%, next is a cruise tune (all condition drive highway too) ,in that log you have not exceeded 60km/h. Before cruise tune is done it's good to extend close loop operation ,you do that in (open loop thresholds tab )Finally wot tune , before tuning wot, set the (target- desired afr) in open loop max & min oct tables (current 9.5 afr , if you running 94 you can change it to 10.5-10.8 afr )than you make a pull ,analyze the log & look at wb factor at each hz point & make appropriate changes in the maf comp tab . http://www.ecmtuning.com/wiki/v3mafadjcombft read this, especially advance usage portion . Btw sd is as easy to tune as maf .

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448662
May 19, 2016 09:27 pm UTC
May 19, 2016 09:27 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
maybe.. but the GM maf is a differant. And is well known for issues. Im saying switch to 2g maf cause its free. and should run stock map if hes still stock. I dont think investing into the sd adventure ois the way to go.. untill hes running smoothly on a maf.


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448663
May 19, 2016 09:32 pm UTC
May 19, 2016 09:32 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
You must be adjusting the sliders to incorperate an issue weather it be a 20psi boost leak or an unstable maf at high hrtz.


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448664
May 19, 2016 10:33 pm UTC
May 19, 2016 10:33 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Bryan Lawrence Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Bryan Lawrence  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
***
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
i would agree with jay if you have a 2g man laying around than I would go with that and see what everything looks like. when was the last time you did a BLT


"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD
"Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD
Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448665
May 19, 2016 10:52 pm UTC
May 19, 2016 10:52 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Toronto
J
Jroslaw plawski Offline
Regular Member
Jroslaw plawski  Offline
Regular Member
J
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Toronto
2G DSM 2700hz 320 lps (680 cfm) 375 gm/sec (50 lb/min) . Unless you trying to go more than 50lb/min = about 500hp I also would stick with 2g maf & anything over I would switch to evo8 maf (good for 66lb/min or switch to sd .

Last edited by Jroslaw plawski; May 19, 2016 10:59 pm UTC.
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448667
May 20, 2016 01:26 am UTC
May 20, 2016 01:26 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
Insane Member
Stephen Richardson  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Just trade me your Spyder for my Accord. Then you don't have to worry about tuning MAF the Accord is SD.😆

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448841
May 27, 2016 02:14 am UTC
May 27, 2016 02:14 am UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dptrx7c5emaqo1p/new%20idle%20wb%20match.elg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1joriscb8f5lqkl/new%20idle.elg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o14wf7oe2dgl09x/cruise.idle2.elg?dl=0

OK so, the first link is to a log where I made the WB factor 0% but airflow rev is down.

The second link I made the airflow rev where it should be but WB factor is crazy.

Third link is a quick cruise. If it's the right one, at 155 of the log WB factor is close to AFest but they're lean. But the STFT is 16.8%


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448842
May 27, 2016 02:21 am UTC
May 27, 2016 02:21 am UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Sorry had to break it up into 2 posts, kept crashing. ..

I could go back to stock MAF but BOV.. So I really don't wanna. Haha

For the bacon lettuce tomato I found most of the bits to make one and I'll get the rest on the weekend. Side note: for measuring air wouldn't the TB be the only place to throw off numbers?

My firmware is a firmy 3.18.47.

And I plan on being the last DSM owner in Ontario. rotate


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #448843
May 27, 2016 02:43 am UTC
May 27, 2016 02:43 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
Insane Member
Stephen Richardson  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
See if you can upgrade your firmware they changed up how afrest is calculated might help might not...

Oh and good luck be the last owner. ..I'll steal yours if I ever lose mine 😆

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449625
July 06, 2016 02:22 pm UTC
July 06, 2016 02:22 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 24
Hamilton, Ontario
R
Robert Dickens Offline
Newbie on Probation
Robert Dickens  Offline
Newbie on Probation
R
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 24
Hamilton, Ontario
scrap the GM translator and ECM Tuning GM Maf direct cable from them, LinkV3 support GM Maf direct now

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449626
July 06, 2016 04:00 pm UTC
July 06, 2016 04:00 pm UTC
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,055
Stanstead, Quebec
Jason Drew Online content
Insane Member
Jason Drew  Online Content
Insane Member
*****
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,055
Stanstead, Quebec
Or take it one step further and just go speed density and ditch the gm maf completely.


1997 Eclipse GST - AWD swapped - TPC - GT Spec powered
2023 - 9.63 - 145mph
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449632
July 06, 2016 07:28 pm UTC
July 06, 2016 07:28 pm UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
I still vote for stock maf.


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449633
July 06, 2016 08:10 pm UTC
July 06, 2016 08:10 pm UTC
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,342
Canada
Terry S Offline
Insane Member
Terry S  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,342
Canada
Ditch any mafs. SD all day

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449639
July 06, 2016 11:26 pm UTC
July 06, 2016 11:26 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Kyle Dolson Offline OP
Serious Member
Kyle Dolson  Offline OP
Serious Member
*****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 336
Cambridge, ON
Jay Stacy sorry man, can't got back. Although I could do it, vented BOVs sound so sweet!

Rob - I'm going to scrap the whole thing altogether. Like JD and Curtis said, speed density for days!

Gotta admit between sweating buckets outside and having a to do list out the wazoo, hasn't left me much to help the cars performance. It will happen soon tho, eTest due in a month and I would think it'll need some minor tweaking.

I hope to make the switch before seasons done but I daily my car so adding it to the winter to do list is probably more likely.


PHP: 1
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449641
July 06, 2016 11:51 pm UTC
July 06, 2016 11:51 pm UTC
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
Insane Member
Stephen Richardson  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
1 hour and you are golden. You can always make it pretty later

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449649
July 07, 2016 12:42 am UTC
July 07, 2016 12:42 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
I could never understand the open atmosphere sound addiction. .. my 1g is maf with recurculated boV. .. and it's clear as day!


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449651
July 07, 2016 12:49 am UTC
July 07, 2016 12:49 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
Insane Member
Stephen Richardson  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
You have to vent to atmosphere to run SD

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449652
July 07, 2016 12:58 am UTC
July 07, 2016 12:58 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
You don't have to. Lots of high power turbo cars run SD stand alones and still recurculate.

But I'm saYing that people go SD just to vent to the atmosphere and get that sound.. yet I recurculate with a maf and still get a loud boV sound.


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449653
July 07, 2016 01:42 am UTC
July 07, 2016 01:42 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
Stephen Richardson Offline
Insane Member
Stephen Richardson  Offline
Insane Member
****
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,438
Kitchener Ontario
I still recurculate. And run sd. Venting seems like a waste of good air to me.

Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449656
July 07, 2016 01:00 pm UTC
July 07, 2016 01:00 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Bryan Lawrence Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Bryan Lawrence  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
***
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 9,968
Caledon, Ontario, Canada
For me it was just to clean stuff up, recircing was a pain in the ass for me so I went for vented.


"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD
"Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD
Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449657
July 07, 2016 01:48 pm UTC
July 07, 2016 01:48 pm UTC
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,055
Stanstead, Quebec
Jason Drew Online content
Insane Member
Jason Drew  Online Content
Insane Member
*****
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,055
Stanstead, Quebec
I scored a brand new Tial Q in the box for $150, so VTA it was lol.


1997 Eclipse GST - AWD swapped - TPC - GT Spec powered
2023 - 9.63 - 145mph
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449672
July 10, 2016 03:27 am UTC
July 10, 2016 03:27 am UTC
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,809
Ottawa, ON
Mike Eng Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Mike Eng  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,809
Ottawa, ON
Fak I paid like 4 bills for mine


'99 GSX GT35R
'03 CBR 600RR
Re: Ecmlink confusion [Re: Kyle Dolson] #449673
July 10, 2016 03:45 am UTC
July 10, 2016 03:45 am UTC
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Jay Stacey Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jay Stacey  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,783
Belleville Ontario
Got my Blitz free from a profitable partout!


11.45@125,
stock bottom end 6bolt 2g head.
272 hks cams.
Holset hx35
Backyard biult!!

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1