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Re: Winter Build 2017 [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #452794
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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
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Side projects:
- rebuild rotary engine for rx8.


Finally i'm making some progress on this.
Removed 13B REW Rotary 1.3 engine from RX8. Short summary, i bought this RX8 with blown motor for very reasonable price. It's been in my garage for almost 10 months now. Hopping to get good daily driver out of it.

Here are latest pics:

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^ I had to remove front bumper and reinforcement bar to gain enough clearance to pull the engine. These motors are mounted behind front wheels so my one ton engine hoist couldn't reach it far enough.
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Special mount bracket is required to bolt this motor to standard engine stand.
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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
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Side projects:
- scrap rotary engine for rx8.
- LS swap rx8.


I fixed that for you.


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Cool, good work Alex.

I agree with Lucian though!


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Originally Posted by Lucian Marta
Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
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Side projects:
- scrap rotary engine for rx8.
- LS swap rx8.


I fixed that for you.


Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
Cool, good work Alex.

I agree with Lucian though!


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Originally Posted by Guillaume Berton
Electric!


puke

turbo FTW

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Apparently 4340 chromoly tool steel costs just about the same as gold but it will make for hell of a 4 spider center.

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Nice looking piece, but the material choice is probably overkill for the application. Big advantage of Chromoly is strength to weight ratio, but I don't think a gram or two in this piece is going to make a difference. 4140 is a lot more common, I asssume cheaper, and would probably be a good choice of material for this piece.


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Originally Posted by Ziggy Dietrich
Nice looking piece, but the material choice is probably overkill for the application. Big advantage of Chromoly is strength to weight ratio, but I don't think a gram or two in this piece is going to make a difference. 4140 is a lot more common, I asssume cheaper, and would probably be a good choice of material for this piece.


I don't know the reasoning for the choice of material, it's Beyond Redline Performance who actually makes it and to Tim Zimmer's knowledge, none have ever broken or galled up.

Now would making it out of 4140 significantly change the price? I'm assuming like most parts, a good part of the price is the overhead and r&d cost attached to the part, not the material itself.

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It is forged 4340 chromoly tool steel that is machined from an ingot by a 5-Axis CNC Mill, then oil-grooved, shot-peened, heat-treated and carbonized. Rockwell hardness is around 60-62. That results in an approximate tensile strength around 115,000-120,000psi. It is essentially classified as a hardened tool steel part.

It is by far the strongest cross-shaft on the market for these vehicle applications and provides owners with complete streetability on high-horsepower AWD applications. Instead of machining down the stock cross-shaft to accept 4 spider gears, this part started from scratch with better material, a beefier structure, surface hardening, and oil passage grooves on its posts to provide proper oiling to the spider gears to prevent surface galling.

The Beyond Redline Performance cross-shaft has been proven to hold over 1000HP and 950TQ at the crank on my race car for the last 5 years without signs of galling or damage. It has been proven on the race track, the street, and the dyno to survive the harshest conditions without failure.




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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Originally Posted by Guillaume Berton
Electric!


puke

turbo FTW

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You must have a whole lot of money burning a whole in your pocket if you want to take one of the most fuel inefficient vehicles around and make it even more inefficient in a place that has super expensive, crappy gas. tongue

But hey, should be fun! Revving a car engine out to 10k on the regular is always enjoyable. The extra torque from a turbo will be wonderful.


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Originally Posted by Salomon Ponte
Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Originally Posted by Guillaume Berton
Electric!


puke

turbo FTW

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You must have a whole lot of money burning a whole in your pocket if you want to take one of the most fuel inefficient vehicles around and make it even more inefficient in a place that has super expensive, crappy gas. tongue


You read my mind. Oil and gas like a 2 stroke, and you'll be pulling it out and rebuilding it every 30k miles lol


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Originally Posted by Jason Drew


I don't know the reasoning for the choice of material, it's Beyond Redline Performance who actually makes it and to Tim Zimmer's knowledge, none have ever broken or galled up.

Now would making it out of 4140 significantly change the price? I'm assuming like most parts, a good part of the price is the overhead and r&d cost attached to the part, not the material itself.


I was just responding to your comment that Chromoly must be priced like gold. I am sure there is a ton of R&D and considerable machining involved, and the piece would not be cheap regardless, but I think chromoly is most commonly used in tube form, like for chassis or roll cages. If I were making these today, I would probably try 4140 and possibly nitride the surface after machining. Are the oil passages circular grooves or a spiral groove?


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Originally Posted by Lucian Marta
You read my mind. Oil and gas like a 2 stroke, and you'll be pulling it out and rebuilding it every 30k miles lol


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49k stock longblock.


^ Not that much far off from 4B11T rotate

Originally Posted by Salomon Ponte
You must have a whole lot of money burning a whole in your pocket if you want to take one of the most fuel inefficient vehicles around and make it even more inefficient in a place that has super expensive, crappy gas. tongue

But hey, should be fun! Revving a car engine out to 10k on the regular is always enjoyable. The extra torque from a turbo will be wonderful.


Well said tu
Gas prices these days are not as bad as they used to be so fuel efficency is not my major concern at this point. Rx8 is sitting at 16mpg city 22mpg hwy which is similar to EVO X.

The turbo kit for these cars is damn expensive.
The best kit is made by Esmeril Racing. On stock engine
it made 414 WHP
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The kit cost is 5895.00 and another 1500 for Haltech ECU with preloaded map.
Considering i paid 3k for whole car, this kit is definitely pricy


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Originally Posted by Guillaume Berton
Electric!

I am going to repeat this one because you live in California! This is where most of the guys are selling stuff for the best prices so you will be able to get everything you need!
I have spent the last year and a bit on the diy electric car forums and for what you would pay for just that turbo kit you could have a pretty good range electric conversion with all the torque you could want!!


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Originally Posted by Ziggy Dietrich
Originally Posted by Jason Drew


I don't know the reasoning for the choice of material, it's Beyond Redline Performance who actually makes it and to Tim Zimmer's knowledge, none have ever broken or galled up.

Now would making it out of 4140 significantly change the price? I'm assuming like most parts, a good part of the price is the overhead and r&d cost attached to the part, not the material itself.


I was just responding to your comment that Chromoly must be priced like gold. I am sure there is a ton of R&D and considerable machining involved, and the piece would not be cheap regardless, but I think chromoly is most commonly used in tube form, like for chassis or roll cages. If I were making these today, I would probably try 4140 and possibly nitride the surface after machining. Are the oil passages circular grooves or a spiral groove?


i believe 4140 is considered chromoly?



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Originally Posted by Mike Degli Angeli


i believe 4140 is considered chromoly?


According to Google it is.



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Pretty much ready to pull the engine and trans for this years maintenance and upgrades.

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The way the paint reflects the light in that first shot looks amazing!


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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Not that much far off from 4B11T rotate


Come again?


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Originally Posted by Lucian Marta
Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Not that much far off from 4B11T rotate


Come again?


Didn't you blew your 4B11T with cobb tune at 49k ?


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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Originally Posted by Lucian Marta
Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Not that much far off from 4B11T rotate


Come again?


Didn't you blew your 4B11T with cobb tune at 49k ?


I believe it was closer to 225K(give or take). I suspect an engine failure could occur on Cobb tune with no respect to its Km's, 50kms to 500000kms wouldn't matter much from what I've heard.
*disclaimer I have zero personal experience with the Cobb tuner*

That being said I also have no experience with rotary engines or how reliable/well they hold up to higher than factory HP.

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LA smog must be getting to you man tongue I blew the original engine with over 230k (close, Charles). The donor that took it's place in the engine bay, has 49k. The original engine even with the high mileage ran extremely well and healthy up to that second. Personally, I am extremely excited to take that cobb AP off and kick it off the nearest cliff once the car is running. I should have removed it as soon as I got the car.


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Originally Posted by Charles Kisielewski
I believe it was closer to 225K(give or take). I suspect an engine failure could occur on Cobb tune with no respect to its Km's, 50kms to 500000kms wouldn't matter much from what I've heard.
*disclaimer I have zero personal experience with the Cobb tuner*

That being said I also have no experience with rotary engines or how reliable/well they hold up to higher than factory HP.




Originally Posted by Lucian Marta
LA smog must be getting to you man tongue I blew the original engine with over 230k (close, Charles). The donor that took it's place in the engine bay, has 49k. The original engine even with the high mileage ran extremely well and healthy up to that second. Personally, I am extremely excited to take that cobb AP off and kick it off the nearest cliff once the car is running. I should have removed it as soon as I got the car.


My DSM smog test is due this October lol...it will be fun with all my recent mods including EVO 3 IM.
My miss understanding on the mileage of your 4B11T, it appears you are re-using 49k motor instead of rebuilding your own with 230k, is this correct?

Regarding rotary engine reliability, they say if you look after one it will last long time. Generally it's not reliable compared to piston engine.

I will attempt to rebuild it myself and see how it goes.
I have to admit, there is huge fun factor when working on these things. Can't wait to see what those rotors look like inside the housings. This motor overheated and blew the coolant seal. Lots and lots of white smoke when i tried starting it.
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Do it Alex...If it's of interest then go for it... People called me crazy for boosting my Lancer... Well leaving WRX's and some Evo's in their tracks is priceless... Looking forward to finished product.


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^ I still wanna go for a ride in that thing. Swing by Milton one day, I need to see it smile


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Originally Posted by Mike Kuttschrutter
When you realize you've taken on too much at once and haven't even began the engine swap yet.
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2 things you are lacking in that pic....

Beer bottles...

And plastic containers... Yogurt ones work really well for organizing bolts.


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Originally Posted by Jay Stacey

2 things you are lacking in that pic....

Beer bottles...

And plastic containers... Yogurt ones work really well for organizing bolts.


Ha, I stopped drinking to fund for race car parts!

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Cardboard was a nice touch when I picked up my car, Gus had stuck all the bolts into cardboard and then wrote what it was for.


Alex, this just came up on my recommendations, should help!
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Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
Alex, this just came up on my recommendations, should help!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnoF80ezReo


Yep I like this type of videos. I am starting with 2 rotors to keep things simple for now. As far as rebuilding/assembling rotary engine goes, looks like sealing rotors (all sides) will be the most difficult part, everything else seems to be doable so far.


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Alex Akachinskiy Offline OP
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Originally Posted by Jason Drew
Ready to drop in the L19's

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Very nice! Torquing to 90 lbs?


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Re: Winter Build 2017 [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #452864
April 08, 2017 06:57 pm UTC
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Originally Posted by Alex Akachinskiy
Originally Posted by Jason Drew
Ready to drop in the L19's

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Very nice! Torquing to 90 lbs?


ARP recommends 100ft-lbs on the L19's


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Re: Winter Build 2017 [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #452865
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You mean to say you have been beating those poor little stock head bolts all these years.... have you ever had any head gasket issues?

Re: Winter Build 2017 [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #452866
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I was running regular ARP's.

The only issue I had was last fall when my AFPR failed and I pushed a little coolant.

Side note: Finished my Kiggly pickup mod

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Re: Winter Build 2017 [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #452945
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smile

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Re: Winter Build 2017 [Re: Jason Drew] #452947
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Originally Posted by Jason Drew
[quote=Alex Akachinskiy
Very nice! Torquing to 90 lbs?


ARP recommends 100ft-lbs on the L19's[/quote]

Weak, crank em down to 120 smile


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Originally Posted by Jason Drew


Side note: Finished my Kiggly pickup mod

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Just pull off the outer metal skin eh for better oil flow ?


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