What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 22, 2003 09:29 pm UTC
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Mark Spittal
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Cruising along at normal city street speeds, nail the throttle and the car pops and stutters and then hooks up and takes off. Mods are pump rewire, 14b, aeromotive regulator, bigger fuel filter and fuel feed line to rail, 3" exh, fmic, upper I/C pipe, 18lbs boost. The car ran perfect in August and has just recently been acting up. I once missed a shift and the revs went crazy. Could a skipped timing belt have caused the problem? I don't have a logger but would love to get it logged if somebody has one for a 2g.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 22, 2003 10:24 pm UTC
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Mark Spittal
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The plugs and wires are less than a year old. The plugs are a golden brown colour. Since it only acts up under heavy load, how can I check the wires? This may be a silly question but, what am I looking for? There is no misfire or any other problems under normal conditions.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 23, 2003 04:00 am UTC
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Noah Wiles
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Welcome to my world right now Mike ever since my engine swap. Let's keep in touch when we figure out what it is.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 25, 2003 04:00 pm UTC
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John Hartman
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Mark, with all that extra fuel and no fuel control, I'd say you are just way too rich. Get an safc or similar.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 26, 2003 12:07 am UTC
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Mark Spittal
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Why was the car running so perfect in the summer? I have the stock pump with the aeromotive regulator, upgraded filter with 3/8 line. I was just emailing Noah about it, saying that the car does smell very rich at idle and there is some black soot on the end of the threaded part of the plugs. The electrode is a light brown. The egt's are 1600 f at the end of third gear. Mind you, that's not when it's stuttering. It stutters when it first builds up to 18 to 20lbs. Can the stock fuel pump support that much boost with the upgrades that I have done? I just can't help it. I need the boost! I guess there's too much fuel when boosting but not enough at redline. What do you guys think? What are your egt's at redline? O ya, the o2 sensor is very white.(the front one)
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 26, 2003 12:07 am UTC
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Nathan Welch
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hi guys, i have been having the same problems as well, i am less heavily moddifed though
-stealth TT pump 190 lph rewired -3 inch turbo back
the car was smoking black on idle since it got cold... does our MAF read air density??? (would it be trying to run more fuel at idle because of the dense air)
anyways, i hacked the maf a little more, turned that screw out all the way, (already had honeycomb removed)
the car doesnt smoke at idle anymore, no more raw fuel smell, i also widened the lower air passage in the MAF, but under heavy load it still gives that momentary hesitation, but i find if you make of the throttle mementarily, then slam it back down, it clears out and pulls strong
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 26, 2003 02:25 am UTC
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Steve Kinnaird
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Originally posted by Nathan Welch: does our MAF read air density??? Mass Air Flow Sensor.
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 26, 2003 10:00 pm UTC
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Steve Marton
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Yes but mass is volume times density Karmann measures volume airflow, then there's the intake air temp and barometric pressure sensors to get the density part. Personally I don't think these are calibrated properly, or maybe the ecu's calculations are thrown off by our hacked mafs, but it never seems to compensate properly for altitude and ambient temperature. All this junk should become irrelevant once I get the GM hot wire maf in. That one actualy measures mass air flow directly. Nathan man come down to the loo sometime and we'll log your car.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 27, 2003 01:58 am UTC
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Steve Kinnaird
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I should have elaborated a little. (as usual).
I think he was asking if the airflow sensor in DSMs compensates for changes in temp. (affecting density).
Since our airflow sensors measure mass, yes, they do compensate. Fuel trims help this as well.
That's why it's "easier" to hit fuel cut when it's cold out.
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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October 27, 2003 09:05 pm UTC
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Sean Costall
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Originally posted by Steve Marton: Personally I don't think these are calibrated properly Nope. Originally posted by Steve Marton:
or maybe the ecu's calculations are thrown off by our hacked mafs Bingo.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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November 11, 2003 02:22 am UTC
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Mark Spittal
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Problem fixed! Needed a downpipe gasket so that the second o2 sensor could get the proper readings.
Later TSI! Rollin' slideways in my RX7.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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November 11, 2003 03:07 am UTC
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Ernest Mah
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Yup, 2Gs have a second O2 sensor.
Mark, I was under the impression that the second O2 sensor was used measure the efficiency of the cat. It doesn't affect the amount of fuel that the ECU provides. I've read that some 2G owners remove the second O2 sensor entirely.
My second O2 was throwing a failure code so I just disabled the diagnostic using DSMLink.
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Re: What is causing backfire/stutter?
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November 11, 2003 02:14 pm UTC
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Sean McNair
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Even though your problem is solved and someone mentioned plug wires, I would like to add that I had the same problem and new plug wires solved it.
My old wires were only about 18 months old but one had a tiny hole in the insulation and was causing an arc between the wire and the cylinder head.
the area around the small hole on the wire was black
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