SO I am getting tired of calling and talking to Mechanics lately.

I drive a 99 Spyder with a 4G64 in it at the moment. I love the car, it's a fun little toy. But it needs a little bit more power under the hood.

I have talked about swapping the engine out with a 4G63-T ... priced it out... asked around ... and I simply do not want to pay $4000 in Labour.

I have talked about doing a head swap and bolting on a turbo head form a 4G63-T, swapping out the exhaust manifolds and so on ... ending up with a 2.4 4G64/3-T... which sounds like a lot cheaper way to go since I would stick with stock parts all around and still get to my end HP goal (around 250-ish)

Now I have not yet found a mechanic willing to make the attempt at the head swap so I have no idea on pricing for that.... but I have been told it is not much more difficult than doing a head gasket.

Anyway now that I have rambled on.... does anyone know of a DSM mechanic that I can sit and bounce ideas off to get a better idea of where to go to get a bit more power but not go crazy boosty like most of you guys?? =P

Feel free to PM me if you know someone that might fit the bill. Since summer is almost here this project will be on hold again until the fall/winter when she gets put away for another winter... but it will give me time to get the parts and such put together before it goes in for the work.

It's doable but lots of headaches.

It's much easier to just buy a GST with a good body than swapping a 4G63 in there.

Or, another way out is turbo'ing your neon engine. My opinion, much less headache but not worth the $$$.

Again, your much better off with another GST with a good body.

Joe, I think you missed that his car is an Eclipse Spyder.
It has a Mitsubishi 4G64 engine which can be turbocharged quite easily compared to the Chrysler 420A.

Ewwww.... Neon engine?? How did that get in here?? lol.

Thanks Rob for pointing that out for me. Yes 4G64 engine... not the 420-A POS from Chrysler.

The bottom end of the 4G64 is the same configuration as the 4G63-t with the exception of being a deeper block making up the extra .4 displacement. I have read a few online walk through's on how to do it but I simply lack the skill... I have also met a few guys who have done it (there a couple of guys that have been at the Yorkdale meet who have accomplished it nicely) so I know it is definitely doable. I am just looking to find a mechanic that I can talk to about it and sit down to discuss options before making a final decision.

Ziggy introduced me to a guy (Mechanic) out here in Scarborough who drives a 1G talon with a TON of power under the hood and we have talked about it but I have not heard back from him since November. I know he knows the platform as he does all his own work.

What about the the guys from Magnus Motorsports?
http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/

Huh, didnt realize they have the 4G64. Well, i stand corrected. That's the same as the sonata yes?

Which Sonata? The '91-'93 had the 4G63...

Pretty much ANY time you try to farm a job like that out, you're going to get hosed, Jay. If you can't DIY, you'd better be ready to pay out of pocket. In those cases, I start to worry when people (that aren't friends) say things can be done 'on the cheap'. Usually means they're not worth the little money they want.

But putting a turbo on the 4G64, or even a 4G63T swap... That doesn't sound like a $4000 job to me. Everything should pretty much match up, and then an ECU swap...

that depends how well the job is done. it can easily exceed 4000 in labour. however, most wouldn't pay for it.

you would have to rebuilt the 4g64 if you want turbo pistons.

you are going to need a complete gst donor car (front clip?)to facilitate things.


horsepower is expensive.

Way out of my price range. Their shop costs are about double the average mechanic. They are the best.. and they charge like they are.



I definitely understand the expense. The folks over on 4G64.com forums tell me that the swap can be done with the existing internals as long as the boost is kept under 10 - 11 psi and still give me the HP gains I am looking for as my end goal. unfortunately all the guys there that have done what I am attempting all live in the deep south so they are too far for a day trip to talk options with their mechanics.

I thought I would need a full 4G63 engine at the very least and expected that a full front clip would be the end result there as well.

There is something about 1 generation Eagle Talons and mechanics. Try to take it to mechanic to ask for a timing belt change or some work. They try to avoid it like the plague. One reputable mechanic advised me to take it to the dealer as he thought they were too "finicky" for him.

Not sure if I understand the dynamic but it appears mechanics only want your brake and other easy jobs.

Very Debateable...

you've been Pm'd

Jay, I would gladly help you do that swap and help in research if you need to.

I'm a little far away but if you have no luck locally, just let me know and we'll work something out that helps both sides

$4000 in labor? I swapped my friend's engine for $400 .. of course he's a friend.. but anyway it took me about 20 hours total and I never done it before.. even if they charge $70 an hour should be no more than $1400 I would say.. that's assuming an almost straight swap(just oil cooler and intake was different).. is there something special you need to do from 4G64 to 4G63?

Did you swap a 4G63 engine into another 4G63 engine? Or did you swap a 420A engine for a 4G63 engine?