This is stemming from constantly seeing and reading about the violence that is never ending in the city, and lets face it 3/4+ of the time its black on black crime, and too often innocent people get caught up in the crossfire...
Heres what I think this Country should do, FIRST dont let so many goddamn immigrants into this country, and if you cant control the number, control where they live, this is so KEY. You have a group of immigrants come in, figure ok I can work or live in the city, deal drugs, and make a far superior living, so the choice is obvious.
You send these people who want to live here so bad out east, up north and out west, Toronto doesnt NEED one more person as it is, its busting at the seams. If they dont want to live where we tell them, they can get the HELL out of our country. SECOND punish criminals, Canadas legal system is so pussy it seems. Commit a crime, and you do an overnight in jail, and your out on bail the next afternoon. Here's an idea commit a violent crime, and your an immigrant to this country, and you've been here less than a couple years.... GONE, DE-fcukin-ported, thats it, thats all, we gave you a chance in this country but your dumbass couldnt handle it, so now you can go back to picking coffee beans in South America.

Also, one more thing, when immigrants come to our country, and set up home etc and run legit honest lives great, they pay into the system, they get the countries benefits. What bugs me is when they send for their elderly family members, they come to Canada, full of sickness and disease, and they leach on our system. You want your family to live here great they can come, but they get NOOOO benefits, they can pay for health care, becuase they didnt pay into the system for 50 years like everyone else....

Sometimes I get so frustrated I wanna scream, but I did the next best thing and vented my frustration here, does anyone else feel this angry about stuff as me, or am I being illogical? I dont think so, what do you think?

Logical, but very un-liberal

These shooters should get shot. They should die the similar fate as the people they killed. I think if you shoot someone you should pay the equal price. In addition to that, you get no health care. If you are bleeding oh well, just die than. Eye for an eye, thats what I think.

Here's your answer why, Nigel.
Less immigrants, less money coming in from taxes.

Nuff' said.

I understand that part, and I'm not totally against letting alot thousands of immigrant in annually, I'm against not directing traffic though. We can have Torontos population grow by 150,000 in immigrants alone each year, we will even further depleat all resources.

I agree with nigel... i mean.. it's getting to the point where you can't walk out your front door without something happening to you!! I will be moving down to Toronto this summer (fellow dsm'ers beware)... for my internship and I just hope that i make it back for my 3rd year here....

However, if they legalized marijuana... we wouldn't have that problem would we?? Everyone would be so mellow....

sooo sooo mellow.... like mellow yellow....

i'm gonna get a pop

The problem is we let immigrants in the country to easily. It should be mandatory they speak either english or french in order to enter the country. Also I believe they should provide a detailed plan and the progress of this plan should be monitored. It would be like a probationary period for them to be able to remain here, if they fail to do whats required, kick them out.

Another thing that pisses me off is when offshore workers come to our country and impregnate all the 15 year old girls in my hometown and leave us to deal with it, what a drain on the social system.

My parents were immigrants to this country. They worked thier butt's off and did well for themselves. But when they first moved here, you think they had a good job and skills right away? They worked as handlers for Pearson. Oh and thier english wasn't any good either. My point is some of those immigrants are moving on up in the world. Just cause they are working under the table at your local ethinc restaraunt doesn't mean they are not working for a better life for them self.

There is a big difference between immigrants who work hard and earn an honest living compared to those who come here, live in a house with 10 people, collect welfare, and deal pot/crack/meth/coke etc... These are the kind of people I am referring to, if they get caught committing a dangerous/violent crime within the first 2-3 years of arrival, I think they should be deported. Its not fair to put these scum through 10,000 dollar trials, and than imprison them for a few years, for 100,000 bucks a year coming outta tax payers money. Take 1000 dollars buy em a plane ticket and ship them the hell outta the country, pump that half a million dollars back into resources real citizens deserve.

What do you care about the gun violence? They're killing eachother. Sure the odd time someone gets in the crossfire but **** happeneds.

It's more then just immigrants and working hard. Have you visited the Wal mart in Square 1? All brown people who can barely speak english, I applied there a year ago with good references and perfect english. No job. I saw the guy who had an interview after me, just so happeneds he's working there now. He barely spoke english from what I heard.
Thats what pisses me off about immigrants and some work places. They hire ethnicly and not by qualifictation. I know companies have to hire a certain amount of disabled people, but it seems the only disablility they have is no english skills. When in Rome do as the Romans Do. This is Canada bitch step-up.
In crowded malls on the weekends, I hate when people are just crowded and not moving, so I just plow through them. It's rare someone will call me an asshole, its always "stupid white people" I can accept asshole or prick, or punk or even ****er. argh, i could go on forever but i'm angry so I'll stop.

I forgot to mention one thing before I got angry.
This whole thing about "it's because i'm black" "it's because I'm brown" No you moron, you're doing something wrong.
In highschool, anytime a black or brown kid got in trouble, "oh it's because i'm this" It's starting to piss me off, it seems whites ar becoming a minority so from now on, I'm gonna spit "It's because I'm white and bloody minority"

Immigrants will always cry racism, cause thats they're only defence, like those 16 kids that got booked for harrassing that girl. They're parents couldnt accept the fact that their kids are criminals so they cry racism.
done and done.

If our population was sustainable we wouldent need to have so many immigrants let in. We are down to 1.7 kids per couple. Heres a quick thought folks, every year approx 105,000 babies are aborted. Maybe we should work on the killing in our own country as a solution to needing so many immigrants to sustain our population. Cause thats what it is folks, pure economics, we dont make enough babies folks, and 25% of those we make we decide to kill. I know you guys are out there makin babies, so lets stand up and support women in having these babies, and if all else fails that adoption is an option. So get out there and get married and procreate!

Ya thats what we need all those 16-18 year old girls having kids, and raising our future population improperly. I'm so pro-choice its not even funny, I'm all for abortion, but thats off topic.

Nathan, could you grasp the possibility that the majority are aborted because there is nobody to take care of them?

Imagine, every year, approx 105,000 children are born without any chance of a proper upbringing.

So you see, yours is not a solution at all, and could only contribute to the problem above.

Nigel you are wise beyond your years, It's the Pension plan that is about to collapse is one of the main reasons for such high immigration.
We are not sustaining our population on our own and all us old farts are getting closer to retirement. It is after all mostly old farts who run the country and they are looking out for their own sorry asses first.

Yet every paycheck I dish out a nice chunk to the CPP... Do you think in 50 years when i'm ready for it, it will be there? =)

Also, off topic, Rob thanks for the nice smooth car sir, took it in for safety, and it needed nothing!

I agree with you 100%, the way this country is run is completely absurd especially when it comes to immigrents.

I remember a few years back in high school, alot of the immigrents didn't even WANT to learn English/French. They'd rather just sit there and nod like morons. And the sad thing is, they would stick these people in special classes and still give them their High School Diploma without even proper linguistic skills.

What pisses me off just as much as wanting to live and here and not learn our principal languages of communication is this.

None of these people stand up for OUR National Anthem, and this to me is just pure disrespect to the folks that built this country and everyone that supports this country. One day i asked my teacher "hey, how come this asshole doesn't stand up for my country" and the teacher said "Well he isn't from here, he isn't oblidged to" i said "He's living here, is he not?". Of course i got a suspention for making racist remarks, how is it racist? What i said was merely true! If we didn't stand up for their national anthem back where they are from, we'd probably have our heads chopped off with machetes..

Ignorant People.

Uh I quote myself:

"So get out there and get married and procreate!"

Statistics show that Canadians have to go to other countries often to adopt children as there is a lack of children available for adoption here.

Thats true Nate, but alot of these girls are young, immature, and stupid, often living at home. They weigh their options, on one side you have abortion: cheap, easy, safe, and noone has to know, and on the other hand you have having a child and putting it up for adoption: 9 months, probably get kicked out of the house, lose your job, fail out of school, have your boyfriend break up with you etc etc, and from their point of view Option 1 is so much easier, and in this society people are geared sad to say to the easy outs.

And for Robert, thats something that pisses me off to. When you hear immigrants say screw Canada, bla bla bla, you dont like it? Get the HELL out! You came here in search of something better, if its not up to your high standards of living go move somewhere else.

Just like china and India, and God knows they dont have any population issues.

"Just like china and India, and God knows they dont have any population issues."

Thankfully we are not communist or have a caste system. Neither of these countries have anything to do with our situation here in Canada.

Because it is right or easy doesnt mean it should be done. It was easier for Chairman Mao and Stalin to build their empries on the backs of millions of citizens deaths. That does not make it right.

Any idea Nigel on how much we spend on abortions here in Canada at last cenus? 31 Million. That money could have been better spent on infrastructure and support for young women. Direct link and influence to our immigration. We have a cap which is based on our growth as a nation.

31 million? Thats freakin PEANUTS man!

Any idea on how much money we spend on housing immigrants in jails each year, I bet that number eclipses 31 million by a mile.

Exactly so now you see the win win situation my man.

We decrease spending on abortions saving money, which would decrease money we have to spend on immigration processes and tertiary results. We would save money both ways.

Well, the only way I see we can decrease spending on abortion is through education, and practicing safe sex. Too many kids my age are STUUUUUPID!!!
I can't stress that enough, they are immature, and shouldnt be allowed to get involved with something as serious as sex becuase they just arent prepared to practice safe methods of protection. Abortions will still happen, and making them illegal will juss push them to the underground, which isn't a very good thing to have happen anyways. Now, the real question is can today's youth be educated enough?

They are not being educated well enough I would say, and I think that women going to have abortions are not respected enough by the medical professionals to be given the full truth behind the reality of abortion. Glad to hear that you believe education is the way of the future. Because we are dead without our youth.

Lets start educating right here right now : See how far the rabbit hole goes

You can be upset about the state out our country, like alot of people out there and have been for a long time. Changes take time, the goverment can't cater to everyones complaints at the snap of the fingers. Bitch all you want its not going to change anything...yet.

Ya! and its not helpin' any when Nigel is banging them unprotected!

Just to lighten' things up!

I have never heard this one, maybe because I am not white , but this one is so ****ing funny. Because if you really want to look at this racially, generally the whites happen to be the most courteous people when it comes to walking and lines. There is one particular group who seem to be very oblivious.


As I have been around for not too many years I guess I see it from a different perspective.

The "immigrants" as you put it in general bring not only labour but depending on where they come from many of them bring cash. There are WAY TOO MANY, and you have no idea how many, students that live here, either on student visas or mostly as immigrants that are supported by their families that send them cash from somewhere else. That injects a lot of capital into the local and national economies specially in the bigger cities.


Markham, Richmondhill, Thorhil and Vaughan to a large degree where cities that were built by foriegn money for the most part(or they grew using that).


As for jobs there are many many jobs that created by companies and cash that people from the outside bring. When you are doing you job math you have too keep that in mind

don't get me wrong, you have no idea how much this affirmative action has NOT helped me.
I am not white nor am I black enough or brown enough nor do I belong to any religous "minority" so I clearly don't get the point for diversifying the workforce.


your line doesn't make much sense either


I totally here you about Anthem though.
And you know what pieces off me more,
people not doing their exam and school work claiming they have religous reasons and getting extensions. FVCK OFF PEOPLE.


and you guys haven't seen much until you see COMMUNICATION SKILLS prof who can't speak English, now that is PISS OFF


fvcking multiculturalism. It has to be the most abused concept ever.

I want to make it very clear that I am not advocating against immigrants to our country, but more that we need to start growing as a country within ourselves.

while at it,

guys and girls , I know you get horny and it's ok, just cover that prick with some latex and it might be better for both.

Nathan,
could that site possibly not be biased?

Which the breastcancer website?

Its based upon empirical, non-partisan, scientific research. So no its not. If theres a chance women could increase their risk of cancer by having an abortion, they should know about it.

I am all for that zero tolerance on crimes if you are a new comer law, and having a 6 year probation

i have to add about how much we spend on abortions,, that is really nothing.. Think how much money will go out the window to the stupid uneducated single moms colecting welfare, cause having a kid at a young age screwed her life.. it will be 100x more. I also agree we really need to get tough on the immigrants.. I really hate going to the gta and looking around and me and the gf are the only caucasion in sight.. It seems like caucasions are becoming or have already became the minority.
Thats awesome for the immigrants that come to this country with little or nothing and have made a good living and paid in.. and can speek our freekin launguage. Then when the National anthem plays be proud of our country and all it means. To some it may not mean much or anything at all, and those people should be living else where...

You and your theory Jay are what gives us(men) a bad name it educated women. If you are going to speak about a topic that is over your head, do some research first. It sounds like you are denying that women should have rights in our society to social assistance, just like men do.
I challenge you to speak that way to any woman in our society. If you are going to be controversial at least have a way to back it up.

In this case their is no hope of substantiation you are drawing a conclusion that women who are single mothers are dumb. I don't want to attack you personally, but your statement is uneducated and flippant.

what i meant by that was that having a kid at 16-19 will most likly lead to droping out and not pursuing a higher education.. I dont mean at all against women. I was just stating a point. But when its all said and done its the womans choice to have a abortion. and probably works our to be cheaper then supporting the single moms whose boyfriends left them after finding out their girlfriend was pregnant. and cant find a job to support her self because a lack of education..

Warning, this post is not NDP friendly

;-)

Your still saying things, and I am asking you to provide support for what your claiming. Do some research or stop speaking uninformed. There are programs in place for women to get loans for post-secondary education. Which helps them to become contributing members of society, and pay back the loans with intrest. The other main reason for girls who dropped out (in a survey done) was that they felt embarassed to attend school while pregnant. If we would stop making them feel ashamed and unwelcome in highschool that would be the first step to pursuing higher education. I think you missed the rest of my post, which does not deny its a womans choice here in Canada to have an abortion, but that they should be informed of the risks contained therin. Which they are often not, as abortionists don't think is always neccesary. I contend that they know the risks are real and are worried about scaring pregnant mothers away from their lucritive cash-cow.

What about you Jay ever thought about any school after highschool?

Guys you forget that, what makes Toronto is our ethnic community. If you don't like this then go Facking live in Alabama.

I think that everyone has a valid point. And everyone has the right to thier own opinion on any of the topics discussed on this thread. Nate, believe what you want but don't push too hard on others, and for those of you who hate immigrants, live in oshawa for a couple years so you can see the large amount of 100% canadian white trash that deal drugs, shoot people and live off of the government. I do think that some Canadian cities are becoming over-populated, and the idea of segregating areas for new foreigners is a very well thought idea, but good luck getting the government to get past thier own catfighting and actaully do something to improve the Canadian lifestyle.....and to do this without raising taxes anymore (cause we all know that the money for these "new areas" would have to come from someones pocket). that is all.