Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Gabriel Shim]
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April 27, 2007 09:59 pm UTC
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Quick question. The kit came with 3 sizes, M3, M7 and the M12. I'm assuming this is in gph. Anyways, I plugged in my spec in a calcutor to determine the size I would need and it states that I need a 4.65 gph. Would it be ok to go with the M7 or go down to an M3?
Please help.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Gabriel Shim]
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April 28, 2007 02:13 am UTC
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Steve Kinnaird
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I started with an M3.. went to an M5.. I just dropped in the M7.
(Thanks again, Ziggy, and PPG!) So far, so good.
I AM wondering what an M10 would do now, though..
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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April 29, 2007 04:03 am UTC
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Gabriel Shim
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Sorry to keep bugging you guys about this topic, but I have another question.
A friend of mine helped me install the kit and he told me not to thread the connections on the pump all the way cuz it might crack. Now I have a little leak on the connection on the pump that goes to the nozzles. Did you guys thread it all the way? Or 3/4 of the way?
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Reza Mirza]
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April 29, 2007 07:50 pm UTC
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Can I hijack this post too?
I wired in my pump yesterday. I wanted to make sure the pump would work so I unplugged the relay and jumped a wired going from the red wire on the pump to the 12V power wire. (everything was grounded properly) So with the other end of the water line pointing away from the car I jumped the wires and the pump started pumping. It was running for maybe 5 seconds and then it sounded like there was resistance, because it stopped and starting clicking. (sounded kinda like a bad starter clicking) It pulled fluid out of the washer reservoir, but none came out the other end. (check valve was not installed)
So everytime I try to jump the wires now, it runs for about a second and then just clicks. Any ideas? Ziggy shipped it to me, but it was very well packaged, so I doubt it was damaged in the mail.
Black ES--sold and parted RS-T AWD--smashed and parted TSI AWD--13.7s @ 102mph next project...
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Daren Peacock]
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May 09, 2007 09:21 pm UTC
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How long does it take for your turbo to go from 0 psi to your set-boost?
I honestly don't think turning the injection on "progressively" over that amount of time does anything.
But.. I'm also cheap.
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Steve Kinnaird]
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May 09, 2007 10:46 pm UTC
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How long does it take for your turbo to go from 0 psi to your set-boost?
I honestly don't think turning the injection on "progressively" over that amount of time does anything.
But.. I'm also cheap. Exactly what I thought. I was gonna get the progressive, but just went with the basic, although there is no harm in getting the progressive.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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May 10, 2007 01:35 am UTC
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Has anyone installed an LED when the pump turns on. As soon as I get time, I think I'll try to hook up an LED so I know when the pump is pumping.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Ryan Wopereis]
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May 12, 2007 04:46 pm UTC
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I am installing my snow system very soon. A few questions.I have gm maf blow throw pretty close to my tb. Anyone running gm maf also close to the injection and any bad effects noticed. I guess might be able to redo piping and move it farther away if have to.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: KEVIN KIRELUK]
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May 13, 2007 09:10 pm UTC
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I tried to connect the LED and it doesn't seem to work. I've spliced a wire from the power wire on the pump to the LED. Am I missing something?
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Gabriel Shim]
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May 13, 2007 09:36 pm UTC
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Hmm well should be able to move that maf farther away from the tb no big deal don't want to go draw thru my blow off vents to atmosphere.
It would be nice if dsmlink would finally have speed density option so could just drop the maf already. But they are taking forever in bringing out the new version of it.
Kevin you are on your new turbo now..3575 wasn't it? What kind of boost and timing and afr can you don on your alc with that and are your running 100% meth? E85 sounds very promising once we get a lot more stations.
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99TAWS6 427 Twin turbo,91 TALON race car,08 Z06.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Allan Brown]
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May 13, 2007 10:44 pm UTC
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Isn't using more then 50% methanol harmful for the pump? The manufacturer recommends not more then 50% methanol to be used on the pump.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Ryan Wopereis]
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May 14, 2007 04:13 pm UTC
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I know that the sureflow pumps (used in the Devil's Own kit) are tested and proven to run pure methanol without a problem. Not sure about the others. On the Devils own web site, it states that the sureflow pump is not recommended past 50% meth.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Gabriel Shim]
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May 15, 2007 04:43 pm UTC
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Have some more questions for the users. I was origionally thinking I would just use the factory washer fluid container but I was planning on just using washer fluid. It seems like thats not the best idea & I think I'll mix my own water/meth, so I was wondering where most mounted their tanks, in the trunk or in the engine compartment? Being a 2g engine compartment space is very limited, so it will probably end up in the trunk. I was thinking on going with the 4 quart tank. If you have your tank in the trunk are you running the line through the interior of the car or on the exterior? Will the line that comes in the kit be enough or should I order extra?
I'm thinking I'll probably go with the basic kit, 4 quart tank & a level switch that I will hook to the pump & a dash LED. Are there other things that I should be picking up as well?
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Daren Peacock]
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May 16, 2007 01:38 am UTC
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I've got mine installed in the engine compartment. I'll gets some pic tonight. I've got a 1G though and plenty of room where the air filter used to be.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Adam Edgcumbe]
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May 22, 2007 01:41 pm UTC
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I'm using -40 wiper fluid. You are correct, it has more meth than the -20 fluid.
You can get distilled water from any grocery store.
Unless I were to pick up a small fuel cell, I wouldn't feel comfortable running pure meth. Having a flimsy plastic container filled with a flammable liquid under the hood/in the car doesn't sit well with me.
Even the wiper fluid will burn. It takes a bit to get it going, but it does have enough meth in it.
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Adam Edgcumbe]
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May 22, 2007 04:01 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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You can get methanol from home depot, it's labelled as Methyl Hydrate, 99.99% pure. Price is less than $7 for a gallon. You can also get deionized water at any Canadian Tire as well.
BTW I have now upgraded to a single M14 nozzle from the M10. My boost is set to spike to 29 psi then fall to around 26.5 psi by redline. The boost spike makes some nice mid rpm torque.
Car seems to be running more stronger with the M14 nozzle, without no quench at all. Figured I would just skip the M12 and use the M14. Use the biggest nozzle that gives you no quench, if you want to run high boost.
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Re: water/meth injection?
[Re: Daren Peacock]
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May 22, 2007 06:21 pm UTC
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I tried the windshield washer stuff and it worked fine. It works out to about $10 for a jug of Methyl Hydrate and a jug of deionized water which is less than $2. Also same price for 2 jugs of windshield washer fluid, depending on the brand. Take your pick. I prefer mixing my own knowing its 99.99% pure meth, instead of guessing the mix in windshield washer fluid.
The one time I used the smurf piss, it was a holiday and Home Depot and Cnd Tire were closed, and I just happened to run out of it that day. So I just pulled up at Sunoco and poured in the "blue" coloured -40 washer fluid. Worked great!
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