Normal time for a stock 1g?
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The invasion was my first time at the drags when I actually raced. I had no idea what I was doing, the first run I ended up getting 17.4 and the second time I got 17.0
If I went again I know I could have gotten 16.5ish...
Is this normal for a stock 1g tsi awd? Or is there a possible boost leak or something else?
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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I think it's lower, around the 15second mark. Inexperience plays a big factor when drag racing. Practice makes perfect, so just keep practicing.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Okay thanks =) Any tips? When should I shift? What rpm to launch at?
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
[Re: Nigel Smith]
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Wow. Yes, that's quite high for a 1G AWD.
I ran 15 flat on a stock 1G FWD in the 1/4 at 15psi
Post up your slip.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Slip #1 -
R/T .574 60 2.654 330 7.477 1/8 11.263 MPH 66.26 1000 .000 1/4 17.208 MPH 84.13
Slip #2 -
R/T .678 60 2.754 330 7.426 1/8 11.171 MPH 67.08 1000 .000 1/4 17.042 MPH 84.15
Boost is at 13psi according to my gauge. I don't have a turbo timer or anything like that.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Alrighty What should I have it around? Somebody told me something about "hacking" my stock intake. What did they mean by this by the way?
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Are those your times? Also are those your first 3 runs ever Brian?
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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I wish you luck, I hope I can get something good too. 14 would be perfect for me but it's going to take quite a bit of practice.
I was expecting to look a the time slip and see 14 something and BLAH a 17!?! I almost drove my car into a pole :S
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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When do I hit fuel cut?
Also anybody know where I can buy a cheap boost controller in Hamilton?
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Brian, I don't mean to be overly critical, but those times on that setup... I'd say its time for a complete re-evaluation of your setup.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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I was launching at about 3k rpm. The 2nd slip I was reaching down to turn off my a/c and the lights started to go so I launched from like 1k rpm.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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On a completely stock car with stock clutch you should be able to cut 1.8 60 foots.
I noticed a lot of guys not reving it too high, and letting the clutch out TOO quick, causing a nice bog.
If you want to keep the revs low, then slip the clutch enough so you don't bog, i.e. keep that momentum going.
Other than that, look a few posts up and do what Jamie says. You want to slip the clutch a tad to take up the slack in the drivetrain, and then just plant it.
When I launch my car, my right foot is completely down, and left foot is completely off the clutch within the first 2 to 3 feet of the car moving.
If your making gobs of power, get ready to hit 2nd clean and fast. It's all about the 1/8th. Hitting 3rd and 4th is pretty straight forward.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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I was launching at about 3k rpm. The 2nd slip I was reaching down to turn off my a/c and the lights started to go so I launched from like 1k rpm. First of all, that's a lower RPM than what I launch my FWD at. You need to launch much higher to bite twice the pavement. Every car is different - get a feel for it and find out what works. At some RPM it will stop bogging, and if it's burning the clutch then you are not slipping it fast enough. Find the balance. Second, your ET has nothing to do with your reaction time. You're not bracket racing, so just take it easy and practice the launch - worry about cutting a good reaction time later. [benchrace]Take whatever gains you want to make in your 60ft, double it, and remove it from your ET. [/benchrace]
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Do exactly what Reza is saying, I just watched a bunch of the invasion vids & defently some very bad launches (ie mostly bogged huge).
Just takes practice, I was in the same boat when I went from street tires to drag radials in fwd mode. I would bog the DR's huge at first. I had to concentrate hard on keeping my foot into the gas while slipping the clutch (as I was use to backing off with wheel spin). But after a few runs I got the hang of it. Probably started off around 50% throttle with a 4750rpm launch rpm (remember these aren't big V8's that have instant torque down low in the rpm range) & stepped it up to 85-90% throttle, still giving a nice slip while going WOT for a good launch.
If you guys have logging ability, I found it helped to look at the previous run & see what the rpms were dipping to on the launch before they start to climb again. At first they would dip to the 1500rpm mark, which is way to low. My goal was to have them dip no lower then 3000 rpms. If you can do that, your starting to get the hang of it. Once I got the hang of it rpms dipped to maybe 3500-4000 range at lowest.
Just remember to slip the clutch, dumping the clutch doesn't help anything.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Thanks for the tips everyone I'm going back to the drags Thursday with a friend of mine. Anybody else going that day? I think Brian said he was.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Do exactly what Reza is saying, I just watched a bunch of the invasion vids & defently some very bad launches (ie mostly bogged huge).
Just takes practice, I was in the same boat when I went from street tires to drag radials in fwd mode. I would bog the DR's huge at first. I had to concentrate hard on keeping my foot into the gas while slipping the clutch (as I was use to backing off with wheel spin). But after a few runs I got the hang of it. Probably started off around 50% throttle with a 4750rpm launch rpm (remember these aren't big V8's that have instant torque down low in the rpm range) & stepped it up to 85-90% throttle, still giving a nice slip while going WOT for a good launch.
If you guys have logging ability, I found it helped to look at the previous run & see what the rpms were dipping to on the launch before they start to climb again. At first they would dip to the 1500rpm mark, which is way to low. My goal was to have them dip no lower then 3000 rpms. If you can do that, your starting to get the hang of it. Once I got the hang of it rpms dipped to maybe 3500-4000 range at lowest.
Just remember to slip the clutch, dumping the clutch doesn't help anything. Here's a video to display what Daren is talking about.... http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/rza45/?action=view¤t=CIMG0306.flv
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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It also looks like you're missing 6-7 mph for a stock Talon. Make sure it's running right (boost leaks, tune up, tire pressure, etc.) before you go back to the track.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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I'm going to check my tire pressures etc when I get home from work. Also going to head over to Canadian Tire tonight and buy some stuff to make a boost leak tester, I tested before but couldnt find anything.
Michael I think that was probably because I was launching terrible. Theres a video of my first launch, I'm the tealish color 1g.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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are you guys launching from first gear?? i would do it from 2nd, then you got less shifts to worry about.. but you need a good clutch for that, and i use an aluminum flywheel.
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Re: Normal time for a stock 1g?
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Just remember to slip the clutch, dumping the clutch doesn't help anything. Good tip
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