Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Tashko Sarakinov]
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December 17, 2009 11:23 pm UTC
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...oh, and I don't appreciate the implication that the mechanic I recommended doesn't know DSM's when mine is over 400k and he's the mechanic that does any work to it if needed. I've never had to tow my car to a shop, never had it leave me stranded on the road in 12yrs of ownership, except for those pesky alt. failures when I didn't have the heatshield. Considering that the shift cables(!), slave and master cylinders where changed, where else would you look but drop the tranny to see what's happening with the fork and clutch. I just spoke with Yoshio and both the ball and fork are slightly worn but the clutch is still releasing. Part of the clutch has some scoring. I'm not going to speak for him, but since he warranties his work for 1yr I'm sure he doesn't want to tell you that changing the ball and fork will fix the problem when the clutch is releasing! He'd have to cover the cost of dropping the tranny again. Could be the combination of worn ball, fork, and whatever happened to the clutch. <sigh> ...from now on I'll keep to myself and let people sort their own sh!t out.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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December 18, 2009 04:14 am UTC
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Yes, the transmission is already out.
First off, the pivot ball and fork wear was described to me as minimal, not enough to cause the problem solely. Returning the clutch to bully was never perscribed as an option, replacing the entire clutch w/ flywheel machine was.
The recommendation was:
- Replace the entire clutch assembly. - Machine flywheel. - Replace the transmission.
Described to as a '50/50 chance it could be either'
If someone offers a warranty on their work, that's exceptional. However, because you offer a warranty does not mean that if you cannot for certain diagnose the problem, that you should replace all components concerning it as a blanket solution so you can offer me a 1 year warranty on the parts you instal that may not have been required in the first place... that is my only issue, and personally I think that's fair and reasonable.
If the problem could concretely be diagnosed again, the scenario would be different. I don't gamble thousands on 50/50, but hey that's just me.
So conclusively, this seems like the best bet
- Replace pivot and fork. - Probably replace clutch including throw out bearing - machine flywheel
Seems like the best bet.
Also, yes, it's a 2.0NA FWD front clip swap to 2.0 AWD Turbo.
Master Cylinder I believe was replaced with the turbo model, but i'll confirm tomorrow morning... would seem retarded if it were not, but i'll check.
Overall however, I appreciate his honesty in respect to telling me he was unable to, with certainty, figure out what the issue was. I think there's just been some bad communication and misunderstanding... I just want to understand exactly what the problem is regardless.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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December 18, 2009 04:37 am UTC
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Thanks Rob, that's what I figured.
Yeah, I just checked the parts online and came up with the seperate #'s.
Now I guess the remaining question is, as crappy tire did the install of the master cylinder and the vin # is equal to the base model... would an incorrect master cylinder bolt on? I told them to get the turbo and the part # is not listed on their invoice actually... I'll check tomorrow.
And also, if the master was bad, would it not be noticeable / effect the hydraulic system working properly?
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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December 18, 2009 04:57 am UTC
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Thank you. I will look into this in the morning... If this turns out to be the issue, I will be causing quite the scene in Dundas Canadian tire. I sincerely hope if it is the case they replace both the part and do the labor free of charge.
EDIT: Rob is correct. It appears entirely as a stock model, but everything from the firewall minus the front bumper (which is eagle) is mitsu 4G63T and repainted original red. It is quite allusive, minus the sound of the blow off valve and exhaust haha... and the guages etc.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Paul Bratina]
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December 18, 2009 01:14 pm UTC
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The drivetrain was changed as well, don't ask me specifically how, but he did that as well. Put it on the hoist engage the gear hit the gas... all 4 wheels spin. It's AWD, I am still trying to get build specifics, but as mentioned earlier the place that did the job has relocated and apparently changed the name. Once the car is back on the road I will drive to bolton and find them manually.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Paul Bratina]
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December 18, 2009 02:14 pm UTC
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Don't want to sound like a naysayer here but "changing a front clip" doesn't somehow cause the drivetrain to osmose itself into AWD. Not that this would cause a clutch not to operate either, but something sounds off here. Thanks for saying exactly what was going on in my head. I didnt want to continue nagging, but this whole thread stopped making sense with that whole 'front clip AWD' thing. Luke, are you sure there was an AWD swap? Or did the car start out it's life as AWD anyway? (Doesn't sound crazy to me). If you can take a look at your gauge cluster for me, and let me know what you see in the bottom left and bottom right gauges, that would ease my confusion. A turbo model will have 2 gauges in each corner, a non turbo would only have one.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Luke Wynter]
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December 18, 2009 02:50 pm UTC
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UPDATE:
Canadian tire originally told me they replaced with dealer part... Turns out they didn't.
They put a wagner/aftermarket/mastermotor whatever cylinder PART #F131451 (which you can pull off of rockauto) and (KAR)57594 into the car. This particular part I can find *nothing* on... Kars (the supplier who they got the part from) I just got off the phone with and they say it's the same Cylinder, obviously, it isn't....
Not only was the WRONG cylinder supplied to me, but it wasn't an OEM part.
Called the dealer, they confirmed part # differences, called Canadian tire.... and now they want me to bring the car back, they'll replace with OEM dealer part for the turbo engine and do the labor free of charge. Which as far as I am concerned is an admission of guilt, thoughts?
Problem is however, my car is far away @ cluch/trans is dropped out.
I basically am wondering if using this part was the reason my clutch will not engage/disengage.... and the reason why Yoshio was unable to find anything particularly wrong with the assembly. I suppose the cylinder must appear to be almost physically identical in order to not see it was different?
So the question is now...
1) Do I have yoshio put everything back together, replace the bearing and fork, machine flywheel... have it towed back to canadian tire and have them do the master cylinder with the right part and hope for the best?
2) Send the car there sans the trans/clutch installed and have them replace the master cylinder, ship it back to yoshio and go from there?
The cylinder could not be confirmed to be working properly however without the clutch in use, no?
Thanks again, what a nightmare.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: EK]
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December 18, 2009 03:04 pm UTC
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I think the guage cluster is TSI actually! Which makes this entire situation more confusing... gah, I will make it my mission to figure that out personally AFTER the car is drivable again lol.
Thoughts on my update? I have to move fast on this one lol.
EDIT: Mine mentions nothing about fuel on the guage, I clearly remember that.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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December 18, 2009 05:42 pm UTC
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That is what I will do.
Refund Canadian Tire $.
Fork/pivot. New correct master cylinder.
Should I bother with the clutch refurb if it looks pretty decent? And I should be good without a slave replace as well, yes? (Contradictory information on replacing both simontaneously).
I still need to machine the flywheel as well, correct? Sorry, just want to make sure I get everything right. Thanks guys.
EDIT: If it would be a good idea to replace the clutch components at this time, I will get the recommended ACT clutch... in which case the flywheel is only 150$ more than a machine would cost me, would this be a 'better' option?
Thanks again guys.
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Re: Urgent help needed - dsm mechanic / shop
[Re: Rob Strelecki]
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December 18, 2009 06:07 pm UTC
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There's no deal haha, I think he's pretty upset/annoyed with me because I've 'made him wait 4 days' while I tried to figure this out on my own... but that's alright, I at least have the CT refund and the peace of mind that things are on there way to improving.
Turns out a guy I know who used to have a dsm will give me his in box act 2600 he never installed for 350$... so that's a steal, only 100-150$ more than sending my clutch to bully to be looked at... I'll get that as well considering i might as well do it now.
I guess as stated before, should I replace the flywheel with the ACT one vs machining it for a whole different clutch now all together?
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