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2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace #285336 December 05, 2008 06:39 pm UTC December 05, 2008 06:39 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Dsmers, My 2G made to 200000 km today with no crankwalking yet. I never done this before but I am sure someone here already did. My plan is to refresh my front suspension with new parts and I need your recommendation in what would be best to replace. If you know, please list both part # and description. Already installed: Tein SS Coil over kits PowerSlot rotors + Hawk pads (thanks Ziggy) Thanks in Advance 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285338 December 05, 2008 06:51 pm UTC December 05, 2008 06:51 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,929 Etobicoke James Karban Serious Member
James Karban Serious Member Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,929 Etobicoke	Get new swap bar end links, suspension will feel like new. 2005 BMW 330ci ZHP ---Sold---- 1997 GST Spyder 1997 Talon AWD

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: James Karban] #285340 December 05, 2008 06:56 pm UTC December 05, 2008 06:56 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	I hear some knocking sounds when rolling over bumps. Possibly need new ball joints too Thanks James I will add to my list. Swap Bar End Links Both sides lower control arms with ball joint and bushings If anyone know how to find OEM part numbers plz let me know Last edited by Alex Akachinski; December 05, 2008 07:21 pm UTC. 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285344 December 05, 2008 07:16 pm UTC December 05, 2008 07:16 pm UTC
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Rob Strelecki morum foderator Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,322 Loc: Loc:	Front sway bar end link kit: MB892981 Rear sway bar end link kit: MB892982 It's one kit per corner. Front lower straight arm left: MR296295 right: MR296296 Front lower curved arm left: MR296287 right: MR296288 Those should include bushings and ball joints. Last edited by Rob Strelecki; December 05, 2008 07:25 pm UTC. Reason: fixed 1993 Eagle Talon TSi FWD 13.8 @ 106 :::: 14.1 @ 117

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Rob Strelecki] #285345 December 05, 2008 07:20 pm UTC December 05, 2008 07:20 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Outstanding! Thank you Rob 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285347 December 05, 2008 07:26 pm UTC December 05, 2008 07:26 pm UTC
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Rob Strelecki morum foderator Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,322 Loc: Loc:	No prob! Note: I had to fix the last of the part numbers, I gave you a P/N for '97+ and realized yours is a '96.

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285348 December 05, 2008 07:36 pm UTC December 05, 2008 07:36 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	OK here is the cost: OEM Front sway bar end link kit: MB892981 76.74$ US Lower straight arm left: MR296295 49.42$ US Lower straight arm right: MR296296 52.86$ US Lower curved arm left: MR296287 230.69$ US Lower curved arm right: MR296292 274.51$ US 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285349 December 05, 2008 07:40 pm UTC December 05, 2008 07:40 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	OK! The only difference is: Front lower curved right is MR MR296288 and not MR296292 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285372 December 05, 2008 10:42 pm UTC December 05, 2008 10:42 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :)
Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :) Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario	It's AWD right? I'd ditch the OEM and go with some Energy Suspension Master Kit bushings. May as well get some bushings that are going to make your car feel a little tighter. AWDAuto 1996 TSi AWD Automagic 12.24 @ 113 - Small 16G FP Green HTA - 11.42/123 Team Pump Gas and Meth RTMRacing - Your Canadian source for DSM Parts "Every moment you live is pregnant with the next moment of your life" --Jim Carrey Last Login: September 28, 2021

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ryan Laliberte] #285377 December 05, 2008 11:30 pm UTC December 05, 2008 11:30 pm UTC
Joined: Sep 1998 Posts: 6,079 Mississauga, Ontario J Jeff Mitchell Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jeff Mitchell Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands J Joined: Sep 1998 Posts: 6,079 Mississauga, Ontario	Alex, There used to be a "kit" which included the knuckle and bother lower control arms for less than the individual costs of the arms. Call Adam Clay @ Eastway Chrysler for info. I'd recommend replacing any arm with ball joints, the tie rod ends and sway bar end links. In the rear be prepared to cut out the rear toe control arm.

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #285391 December 06, 2008 02:08 am UTC December 06, 2008 02:08 am UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,929 Etobicoke James Karban Serious Member
James Karban Serious Member Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,929 Etobicoke	The curved arms you can get from a place in mississauga I know for $80 a side. 2005 BMW 330ci ZHP ---Sold---- 1997 GST Spyder 1997 Talon AWD

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #285443 December 06, 2008 11:42 pm UTC December 06, 2008 11:42 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Rayan, yes it's AWD 96 model. I found energy susp. kit at extremepsi.com for 125 US How difficult it would be to remove bushing off new arm and insert energy bushings? This job will performed under drive way conditions. Jeff, That would be a great if Adam Clay can pull that kinda kit for me. Excellent resource, thanks. I'll call him during next week and post prices, availability, and part number here. Thanks Jeff, Ryan 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: James Karban] #285444 December 06, 2008 11:47 pm UTC December 06, 2008 11:47 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Originally Posted by James Karban The curved arms you can get from a place in mississauga I know for $80 a side. Curved arm with bushings and ball joint 80$ for each? They normally go for 200$ plus This is got to be a rebuild or something. 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285484 December 07, 2008 08:13 pm UTC December 07, 2008 08:13 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :)
Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :) Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario	I've never done the bushings myself, however I have access to acetylene, so I'll just burn mine out. Ghislain should chime in here, he did the bushings on his 95 AWD. AWDAuto 1996 TSi AWD Automagic 12.24 @ 113 - Small 16G FP Green HTA - 11.42/123 Team Pump Gas and Meth RTMRacing - Your Canadian source for DSM Parts "Every moment you live is pregnant with the next moment of your life" --Jim Carrey Last Login: September 28, 2021

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ryan Laliberte] #285485 December 07, 2008 08:26 pm UTC December 07, 2008 08:26 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,137 Kingston P Paul Sitarski Serious Member
Paul Sitarski Serious Member P Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,137 Kingston	I did bushings in my car and found that they have to be pressed out and not just burned as there is a metal sleeve that has to come out. TPG+Meth

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Paul Sitarski] #285486 December 07, 2008 08:43 pm UTC December 07, 2008 08:43 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :)
Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :) Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario	The sleeve is no problem. Burn out the rubber, hammer out the sleeve with a chisel and punch. That's how we do it at work. AWDAuto 1996 TSi AWD Automagic 12.24 @ 113 - Small 16G FP Green HTA - 11.42/123 Team Pump Gas and Meth RTMRacing - Your Canadian source for DSM Parts "Every moment you live is pregnant with the next moment of your life" --Jim Carrey Last Login: September 28, 2021

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ryan Laliberte] #285496 December 07, 2008 11:12 pm UTC December 07, 2008 11:12 pm UTC
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,314 Sudbury, Ontario Ian Burnside Serious Member
Ian Burnside Serious Member Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,314 Sudbury, Ontario	If its off the car already, have a machine shop press them out. Replacing bushings isn't fun and burning them out is quite toxic. Remember how much fun the prothanes were to put in Ryan? You would still suggest that method? PITA for sure.

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ian Burnside] #285498 December 07, 2008 11:27 pm UTC December 07, 2008 11:27 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :)
Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :) Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario	For a big ass mount like that, no. But for small bushings, yes. Make sure the area is well ventilated. But that's just me, if it won't pound out, burn it. AWDAuto 1996 TSi AWD Automagic 12.24 @ 113 - Small 16G FP Green HTA - 11.42/123 Team Pump Gas and Meth RTMRacing - Your Canadian source for DSM Parts "Every moment you live is pregnant with the next moment of your life" --Jim Carrey Last Login: September 28, 2021

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ryan Laliberte] #285562 December 08, 2008 03:02 pm UTC December 08, 2008 03:02 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Wow, this is a completed process. I hope it worth it. I'll let shop replace my bushings and do installation my self. 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #285569 December 08, 2008 04:05 pm UTC December 08, 2008 04:05 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,929 Etobicoke James Karban Serious Member
James Karban Serious Member Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,929 Etobicoke	Ryan, they are brand new the control arms and I have been using them in all my 2g's for a while. Last edited by James Karban; December 08, 2008 04:19 pm UTC. 2005 BMW 330ci ZHP ---Sold---- 1997 GST Spyder 1997 Talon AWD

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: James Karban] #285577 December 08, 2008 05:27 pm UTC December 08, 2008 05:27 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :)
Ryan Laliberte No-Lift-To-Shift.... Stock. :) Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 10,749 Belleville, Ontario	Yeah, yeah, that's all fine and all, however I'm talking about other bushings. AWDAuto 1996 TSi AWD Automagic 12.24 @ 113 - Small 16G FP Green HTA - 11.42/123 Team Pump Gas and Meth RTMRacing - Your Canadian source for DSM Parts "Every moment you live is pregnant with the next moment of your life" --Jim Carrey Last Login: September 28, 2021

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Rob Strelecki] #329979 May 06, 2010 01:39 pm UTC May 06, 2010 01:39 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki Front sway bar end link kit: MB892981 Rear sway bar end link kit: MB892982 It's one kit per corner. Front lower straight arm left: MR296295 right: MR296296 Front lower curved arm left: MR296287 right: MR296288 Those should include bushings and ball joints. Thanks for posting those parts Rob I received my suspension parts, however: the "Front sway bar end link kit: MB892981" only gave me one link. I just called mitsu and that part is only for one link. I thouht this will include both links because this is a kit. Anyway are the links on both front sides are the same? If they are than I will reorder another link. Thanks 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #329990 May 06, 2010 02:39 pm UTC May 06, 2010 02:39 pm UTC
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Rob Strelecki morum foderator Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,322 Loc: Loc:	That's what I'd expect. The "kit" is all the parts for one end of the sway bar. It is the same kit for both sides. CAPS says the quantity on the car is 2 for each kit. Sorry!

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Rob Strelecki] #329992 May 06, 2010 02:48 pm UTC May 06, 2010 02:48 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki That's what I'd expect. The "kit" is all the parts for one end of the sway bar. It is the same kit for both sides. CAPS says the quantity on the car is 2 for each kit. Sorry! Excellent Rob. I will order another link! I am also replacing engine mounts: For anyone looking for parts they are: Rear Engine Mount 2Ga AWD: MB911266 Transmission Mount 2Ga AWD: MB911272 Rob, do you know what are the part numbers for rear hatch struts both sides? 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #329995 May 06, 2010 02:55 pm UTC May 06, 2010 02:55 pm UTC
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Rob Strelecki morum foderator Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,322 Loc: Loc:	No prob! The struts are.. MR100467 left MR100468 right I would recommend waiting for Canadian Tire's sale that happens every so often. I think it's buy one strut get the other for half price.

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Rob Strelecki] #329997 May 06, 2010 03:08 pm UTC May 06, 2010 03:08 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member
Alex Akachinskiy OP Insane Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,873 Los Angeles, California	Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki No prob! The struts are.. MR100467 left MR100468 right I would recommend waiting for Canadian Tire's sale that happens every so often. I think it's buy one strut get the other for half price. Thanks again Rob, Last time I checked they discontinued them at CT 1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #329999 May 06, 2010 03:24 pm UTC May 06, 2010 03:24 pm UTC
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,642 Paradise, NL Anthony Hiscock Insane Member
Anthony Hiscock Insane Member Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,642 Paradise, NL	Napa carries the hatch struts, they are $120 for last I checked. FYI, Ziggy also sells the curved arms and has new lower arms with metal bushings, I've been eying the later. You will notice a big difference with Poly bushings too. There with Energy Suspension or Prothane. The Prothane ones are supposed to be stiffer and people say it's better to use them on a car that's not a DD but that's subjective imo. Some people like a stiff ride, some don't. Last edited by Anthony Hiscock; May 06, 2010 03:26 pm UTC. 96 Talon TSI AWD - The Gold Digger/Never Ending Build

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Anthony Hiscock] #330331 May 11, 2010 01:39 pm UTC May 11, 2010 01:39 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 809 Halifax, Nova Scotia Scott McIntyre Serious Member
Scott McIntyre Serious Member Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 809 Halifax, Nova Scotia	Originally Posted by Anthony Hiscock FYI, Ziggy also sells the curved arms and has new lower arms with metal bushings, I've been eying the later. You mean these? They are very nice! I had poly bushings in the inboard side of that control arm, but they'd only last a couple years before they'd stretch and become sloppy. These new arms with the spherical bearings will resolve that problem. Scott McIntyre 1997 Talon TSi AWD 2008 Mitsu EVO X MR

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Scott McIntyre] #330388 May 12, 2010 02:26 am UTC May 12, 2010 02:26 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,642 Paradise, NL Anthony Hiscock Insane Member
Anthony Hiscock Insane Member Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,642 Paradise, NL	Those are them. Let me know how you like them Scott. Suspension is next on my list. 96 Talon TSI AWD - The Gold Digger/Never Ending Build

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Anthony Hiscock] #330420 May 12, 2010 12:34 pm UTC May 12, 2010 12:34 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 7,263 Niagara Falls, Ontario Ziggy Dietrich Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Ziggy Dietrich Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: May 2003 Posts: 7,263 Niagara Falls, Ontario	Be forewarned: I am told in order to use them, you need to re-inforce other areas. I also sell a set where only ONE end is converted to spherical bearings, as these are apparently not as hard on the car itself.. "bluebird" worlds fastest scooter ridden by me "Whitebird" RIP

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #330497 May 13, 2010 12:19 am UTC May 13, 2010 12:19 am UTC
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,642 Paradise, NL Anthony Hiscock Insane Member
Anthony Hiscock Insane Member Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,642 Paradise, NL	What needs to be re-inforced? 96 Talon TSI AWD - The Gold Digger/Never Ending Build

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Anthony Hiscock] #330499 May 13, 2010 12:53 am UTC May 13, 2010 12:53 am UTC
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 7,263 Niagara Falls, Ontario Ziggy Dietrich Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Ziggy Dietrich Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands Joined: May 2003 Posts: 7,263 Niagara Falls, Ontario	Hopefully Scott McIntyre will chime in here.... "bluebird" worlds fastest scooter ridden by me "Whitebird" RIP

Re: 2G Suspension refreshment. What should I replace [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #330523 May 13, 2010 12:38 pm UTC May 13, 2010 12:38 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 809 Halifax, Nova Scotia Scott McIntyre Serious Member
Scott McIntyre Serious Member Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 809 Halifax, Nova Scotia	Charles Moss describes it best here: Originally Posted by ACM One last point regarding the use of spherical bearings in place of rubber bushings. The inboard pickups were modeled using the loads produced through rubber; changing to a metal joint will increase the peak loads by at least an order of magnitude. It is probable that the mounts will fail if they are not reinforced - at a minimum large washers under the nut and bolt will be needed to spread the loads, and quite probably reinforcing plates will be needed to stop the mounts themselves being torn out of the shell. Have I done this? No, not yet. But I do plan to weld some reinforcing plates on the inboard pickups as a safety precaution. Scott McIntyre 1997 Talon TSi AWD 2008 Mitsu EVO X MR

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