Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Rob Cauduro]
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April 26, 2012 12:56 am UTC
April 26, 2012 12:56 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Failing me for a code that has nothing to do with emissions is what really burns me. Every code that a CEL throws in relation to engine/transmission performance relates to emissions.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 26, 2012 01:07 am UTC
April 26, 2012 01:07 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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ABS or SRS are independent systems, usually having a different light.
All ABS systems when in a non-functioning manner must not prevent normal braking operation under any circumstances. SRS systems are the same, when the light is on, the SRS system will not deploy.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 26, 2012 01:10 am UTC
April 26, 2012 01:10 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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AWDAuto 1996 TSi AWD Automagic12.24 @ 113 - Small 16G FP Green HTA - 11.42/123 Team Pump Gas and Meth RTMRacing - Your Canadian source for DSM Parts "Every moment you live is pregnant with the next moment of your life" --Jim CarreyLast Login: September 28, 2021
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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December 23, 2012 10:26 pm UTC
December 23, 2012 10:26 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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I had my Eclipse tested this past fall before I put it away as I needed an e-test next year & was worried about the new test.
I talked to the owner of my local garage & it seems like the new testing system probably won't be too bad. IIRC, 97 & older will still be a tail pipe test, but their not using the dyno anymore, so I would imagine that might mean no nox even for 2wd vehicles (as it will just be a two stage idle test).
For 98 & newer, its an OBDII scan. So if you have an aftermarket ecu, your probably screwed. If you have link, you should be fine. All cars are allowed to have one readiness monitor not set but certain cars have known issues with monitors, Mitsu happens to be one, so they are supposed to be allowed to have two readiness monitors not set & pass. He might have said a tail pipe test might be an option if you fail the OBDII scans but I don't recall 100%.
Mitsu's OBDII system is basic compared to newer cars. So most people shouldn't have issues passing.
Last edited by Daren Peacock; December 23, 2012 11:00 pm UTC.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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December 24, 2012 03:37 am UTC
December 24, 2012 03:37 am UTC
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John Cote
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well i know at my work we just got the system and ive been learning more and more about it.. the phone calls are just if you want to get audited, and also for those who have changed their ecu's like for ecm link or anything else.. the test also scans the ecu for the VIN number.. so when you switch the ecu it will have a different VIN number programmed, so im not sure if you can change that with ecm link or not.. but then again i don't know if thats true im just going by what i was told by my buddy at my work.. and if you do have a check engine light on and you clear it, they will find out and it will fail and then you have to do a retest in a weeks time to see if the light stayed off and if it does it will pass. its really stupid
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Deep Mann]
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December 24, 2012 04:36 am UTC
December 24, 2012 04:36 am UTC
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No way. I dont think ECU have vin numbers of the car in there memory lol. Mabey it checks for model number, even that I doubt. Sorry Deep, it's true, but only for newer cars (I think it is 2006+). They have the VIN and also two IDs to check what software the ECU is running and the exact level / checksum (CID and CVN). So in theory they could know if you've changed ECUs or even flashed it. Nobody seems to know what the Driveclean program will do if those vales are wrong - I suspect the answer is to pay extra $$ for a roller test but we will see. You DSM guys should be fine unless you're running a standalone on a 96+
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: John Cote]
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December 24, 2012 03:07 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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well i know at my work we just got the system and ive been learning more and more about it.. the phone calls are just if you want to get audited, and also for those who have changed their ecu's like for ecm link or anything else.. the test also scans the ecu for the VIN number.. so when you switch the ecu it will have a different VIN number programmed, so im not sure if you can change that with ecm link or not.. but then again i don't know if thats true im just going by what i was told by my buddy at my work.. and if you do have a check engine light on and you clear it, they will find out and it will fail and then you have to do a retest in a weeks time to see if the light stayed off and if it does it will pass. its really stupid As Jeff said, as far as I know, DSM ecu's shouldn't have an issue with VIN's (as I said above, their OBDII setup is pretty basic compared to newer cars). Don't believe you can have a CEL showing when you go for the test. If you reset the CEL, like any OBDII setup, it resets all the readiness monitors (readiness montiors being set is what they test for with the OBDII scan). So yes, that will fail as you'll need to do some combined driving to get the readiness monitors to set again. Think the DSM ecu only has 4 readiness tests. At times I've set all of them, even with the MDP & rear O2 sensor disconnected (using those inputs to log different inputs with link). So as I said, shouldn't be too hard for most to pass the scan.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jeremy Gilbert]
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January 07, 2013 02:23 am UTC
January 07, 2013 02:23 am UTC
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I don't know what's going to happen to all the people who require an e-test in January as everyone's e-test license expires dec 31, including mine... No training program has been set up yet to teach the new system I know of a couple shops that have been using the new system for a few months already. I'm not sure what kind of training the techs went through, but I don't think people will have trouble getting etests in the new year. Training is just some bull test online. I just went through it to reinstate my license.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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January 07, 2013 02:20 pm UTC
January 07, 2013 02:20 pm UTC
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Are the curb idle tests suppose to be any different?
My buddy's work has been testing the "new way" since mid-late summer. He said unless there is a check engine light on, the code was recently cleared, or ther is no power at the OBD port, cars have been passing with ease.
When I got my 1g tested, there was a Subaru on the new machine getting tested, he said "yours is old, it needs to go over to the other machine" We went over there, and he did the typical curb idle test that we have all seen. However that was in the fall.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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January 07, 2013 06:23 pm UTC
January 07, 2013 06:23 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Cars 1997 and older are exempt from the new system, and will still be tested using the old sniff-n-smell. For 99.9% of you DSM owners, you are safe. For the rare few that have 1998 Talons.... well... Read Me
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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January 07, 2013 06:35 pm UTC
January 07, 2013 06:35 pm UTC
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Can Link hide codes and out smart the new system?
Was wondering the same. Ryan - nice find. If I had to do mine this year, I would be able to report my findings. So I'll be leaving that for one of you guys. Also, if you're not running your original motor, ask about hot rod status please. I'd like to know if this has changed.
Last edited by Mike Eng; January 07, 2013 06:45 pm UTC.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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January 07, 2013 07:34 pm UTC
January 07, 2013 07:34 pm UTC
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You can also take your vehicle through a ‘generic drive cycle’: Step 1: Make sure the vehicle has been parked for eight hours without a start. Step 2: Start the engine and let it idle in Drive for two-and-a-half minutes with the Air Conditioning (A/C) and rear defroster on. Step 3: Turn the A/C and rear defroster o. Drive the vehicle for 10 minutes at highway speeds. Step 4: Drive the vehicle for 20 minutes in stop- and-go trac. Step 5: Your drive cycle is complete. You can now go in for your test. Sounds like a bunch of extra, unnessecary driving... go go drive clean
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