Green 2GB talon rolled into the shell gas station at trafalgar and steels around like 7:30? Anyone here?

Doubtful, the requirements on becoming a member here are a little dated in my opinion. Having a valid e-mail (non hotmail or google account) really holds back the potential of this board being used by A LOT more DSMr's. It's unfortunate really, but understandably so.

Why do you feel they are dated? The reason why we require an email address from an ISP is because we want to avoid scammers coming on the board and ripping members off. You are not traceable with a hotmail account. If you have internet, you have an internet service provider, and you have an internet service provider email address.

I understand that fully. But all online transactions have an equivalent risk factor. Just think of how many times you bought something from tuners.com or the like. Whether it was a positive or negative experience, the risk is no different from members here with or with members who have a "non-traceable IP address".

IIRC, you mentioned in another thread you check your online banking everyday. Well, I bank with TD online and my email account setup with them is a LIVE.CA account. And we're talking about my personal INCOME. Which I treasure more than a few hundred dollar transaction through a forum.

It's like the disclaimers always say "scam alert, beware before engaging in an online transaction...etc." Everybody this day in age has this common sense by now. So why are we so paranoid about hotmail or gmail account holders being able to become a member here? It's a little passe imo. Sorry if I'm ranting. Just my $0.02.

I'm with mike on this one. I know many people who just cant get on this board. Even with Sympatico email there are always other issues and its a huge process.

I don't agree. You OFTEN hear about people on other forums or on Ebay getting ripped off. When is the last time (or how commond is it) someone on here got ripped off by another member. If all hotmail addresses were allowed, it would be a LOT more common.
The downside to allowing hotmail addresses is obvious. I don't see any upside? Are there Superstar DSMers that would give us tons of knowledge, but they don't have legitimate internet service?

If this is the same common sense that tells people not to download virus, I think it's safe to say not everybody has it.

Yeah I am with Mike too, I don't ever use my Rogers account and the one I signed up with was through my Dad and one of the emails he gave me.

I am sure that in the history of the board there has been people that have been scammed, and we all know that a registered email didn't stop them.

I will say that Ziggy does have a good point. I would guess that laziness has a big part in those other people not getting on here.

But that is why they STARTED this policy. People USED to get scammed a lot more often, and SINCE starting this policy, it has dropped off drastically..

Oh good to know! I was not aware that it had changed, I just assumed it was always like this.

I think the board is private too now, I was searching on another computer and was not logged on and I could not access anything. Which make me very happy!

Assuming the "good guy/bad guy" topic started around the same time. Other forums have implemented methods to weed out scammers by limiting their abilities to post in the "want to buy/for sale" topics until they reached X amount of posts. But we already have the requirement of using your full ACTUAL name. How we go about authenticating that is beyond me but this board has all the RIGHT precautions. Maybe just TOO MANY precautions.

Don't get me wrong. I love the exclusivity of this club. It's an honour and a privilege to be a member here and partake in it's activities and discussions but at some point, we're not ALL going to be here...and DSM's will be sold and owned by different people. Meaning they'll have to jump through hoops to become a member here just like we all did. Bahh..this is way off topic from a sighting but it just goes to show, that green 2g is probably owned by a non-member here, and a member in MANY other DSM forums..Unfortunately for him, he's Canadian and this is supposed to be Club DSM Canada.

To add to that, Ziggy, more members here may result in more business for you! Just sayinnnn.....

Look at it from this standpoint:

Some random yo-hip B/S guy who just bought a "supah fast naws talon yo" gets on here with his Hotmail account to do one of the following:

1: Post random stupid sh!t like "I wanna raise the boost how do I do that".
2: Sell his junk on here for more than he'd ever get for it.
3: Buy a whole bunch of sh!t from members, slap it on his car then bug the members as to why his car doesn't run 10s yet.

The whole purpose of having a registered ISP email address was to avoid DSM Canada becoming like "Toonerz", and ripping members off.

You know what? I'm happy the way it is. I'm not going to sing a song and do a dance as to why or how I think we could improve this board. That's not my intention. I just find it a troublesome process getting a membership here. Some of us will agree, some of us will disagree. If things will ever change, who knows..?

Either we're COMPLETELY exclusive. Or OPEN TO THE PUBLIC...I don't see the middle in that!?!?!

I think this account is on a hotmail e-mail

I agree and disagree with things here and there.

I do understand that you can get scammed more with more random people, that's statistics. Heck I got scammed on here with all these provisions in place. The upside is that being a small community people remember who it was and won't deal with him anymore. If it were a lot of members he'd become "one of those scammers" on a list of many. I have to admit I've been scammed more on tuners than here. Since most deal with paypal on tuners though it makes it easy to stick it right back to them. I would never be able to deal via EMT on tuners as I do here. The trust level is a whole other ballpark.

It will diminish some sales as most people here know what they want and are specific on what they buy. That's not to say you're limited to sell only here: ebay/kijiji work just fine for outside members.

It will limit the amount of "noobz" and "ego challenged" individuals that think because they bought the car, they deserve the same respect as the others that have been there years before they even picked up a wrench. This does take away any ego-debates/drama which isn't detrimental to a forum.

It does make things on here (sales/cars) object of predetermined buyers. I think that's a good thing to an extent because I'd rather give good prices to people I know and help/get helped than to some random "Naz" guy.

Unfortunately it does block the site in dealing with a few great DSMers that simply feel rejected by this site because of an email requirement. This one I understand completely because I know a few.

The only thing I could think of becoming an in between if the email requirements aren't changed is possibly a recommendation basis requirement? As in, if you know someone you personally trust, you can ask for that person to be admitted but, to make sure this isn't abused, the person that recommends them is subject to the same fate as the person he recommends. That way only good people are recommended and not left behind. Just a thought.

Now that's a fracking BRILLIANT IDEA!!!

Everyone I know and trust has LEGITIMATE internet access and can get an email address from his ISP, whether he chooses to use it for anything other than this board or not. If doing so is "too much trouble" or "jumping through hoops", I am not sure that is the kind of person we want on here....

You want to vouch someone? Help him setup his legitimate email address instead!

I didnt even know it was that hard to get on here. I personally like the fact that everyone has to use their real names gives it a personal feel then saying hey dsmer92 tsi what do you mean. But i guess these days alot of people use their phones which only require a gmail address or the likes. I personally enjoy the community thing. I have owned 1 dsm for the last 22 years and i really wish i would gotten to know alot more for you guys sooner

+1

I am part of a site that works like this and it has worked very well.

I agree, but if it wasn't for my university email, I wouldn't be on here. Sure it takes more out of the person to get one but it doesn't change who they are in the scheme of things. I could be the world's best scammer and get a legitimate address, doesn't change the fact I'd be the same person. Besides, does having their ISP number really change anything? Unless there's a covert DSM strike team I'm not aware of (ps if there is I want in!) Not trying to stir up trouble, just stating the facts. Some people are great people mechanically just not electronically, just saying.

It doesn't prevent someone from scamming the FIRST time, but it DOES prevent the SAME person from scamming AGAIN...unless they have multiple ISP's..

Welcome to teamnabr.com, that is how it is run and its much more exclusive than this club.

Can't you implement a 90days rule in wanted to sell where you cannot sell till you been a member for 90days? Most scammers will be to impatience to wait 3 months to unload and move on elsewhere. Or 100post minimum limit?

most forums I've seen have a post limit. I think evom used to have a 100 minimum, but it's down to 15 now. Weeds out the crap also.

I agree^^^, some newbs just join this place to sell parts and then disappear. I find it a priviledge to be here, not a right. If you find it a challenge or you just can't follow simple directions to get on this board, then you don't really deserve to be here.

Agreed.

A post count minimum is likely to cause garbage posts to be created. A minimum time is also not ideal.

How about the decent, honest guy who wants to join this forum because he has just bought his car, needs a little info, and wants to buy and sell some parts. A minimum post count or minimum time would be a HUGE PITA to this guy, but getting a proper email address should not.

Like Reza says, if that is too much trouble, you don't deserve to be here.

Actually a minimum time would work Ziggy, it's not for posting questions, it's for posting in the selling/buying section. Furthermore, to be quite honest, time would be more of a deterrent to scammers than getting an email since you say it's so easy to do in the first place.

Having been on the receiving end of scamming MANY times because of all the boards I'm on, I can tell you that nothing will stop a scammer other than you covering yourself beforehand, heck many of them are known via their real name and they still do it. I've experience this on boards with the most stringent rules. The main reason, I believe, there aren't many on here is because it's already hard to find the site. I only stumbled on it a while back trying to get an answer on a question I had. Before that, I didn't even know dsm.org existed. Which is also how I found out about RTMracing once on the site, before that I'd be buying most of my things from the States. I also find it odd that many people I meet that have DSMs or have been owning one for years are surprised to hear about this site (because they never knew about it).

Granted I like the exclusivity, but being a social person, I also like to see/talk to others with DSMs so I figure that's what this site would do by trying to bring Canadians DSMer to a common place. Maybe I'm wrong on my assumptions?

Either way, I said what I had to say. I'm already here so I'm just trying to help others as I'm sure this is the main goal for those trying to find an alternative. Thanks for reading

If there was a minimum post count required before being able to post in the FS/WTB threads, and the new member is posting spam or useless sh!t in the general sections...wouldn't a MOD kick them out or warn them first? The time limit may be a little too extreme and no one wants to wait for their membership to activate on a FREE forum.

Speaking of which, I know of some car clubs (online aswell) that have an annual fee you pay out of pocket to become a member. Mind you there are perks and swag. And obviously, us being broke DSMr's, that could NEVER work

I STILL maintain it is fine the way it is.

Someone new to the DSM world might WANT to buy/sell parts without having to wait a minimum length of time. Under the current system, they can.

And why make the mods do all the work of monitoring every newbie's posts to make sure they are not garbage?

As it is now, if someone misbehaves, he gets warned. If he scams, he gets booted. pretty simple.

If he can't be bothered getting a legitimate email address from his ISP, he doesn't DESERVE to be here. Do we REALLY want to make it easier for everyone who is too damn lazy to contact his ISP, or is already scamming by piggybacking on someone else's internet account to get on here? I would prefer NO.

Guys are CONSTANTLY being told to use the search function before asking the questions that have been asked a thousand times already....and now you want to involve the people who are too lazy to get a legitimate email address? I am sure they will be eager to use the search function and not ask dumb questions.....after all, they have already provem themselves as "go-getters", right?

In my opinion, that would be the beginning of the end of this board...

Not a fan of change eh looool

I'm shocked you're not promoting the idea of bringing in more people. I know scammer's are the big scare but that's what...? 1 out every 10-100 people?

I've been scammed before on tuners, it wasn't fun. I bought a "new in box" aem wb and I "lost" $150 paying through paypal. 3 months after the fact, I was FULLY reimbursed.

If we all use our own precautions and common sense when dealing with someone new (which is no different offline), then avoiding being scammed is really simple.

My mistake with that transaction was responding to a reply for a "want to buy" ad. And the member (scammer) had 0 (ZERO) tech posts. Even tough the seller sent me pictures and assured me bla bla bla....I'm just happy I got my money back, and learned my lesson. It's kind of like that saying "fool me once, shame on you..fool me twice, shame on me".

Another thing, after that one time of being scammed. I buddy'd up with another member here and ANY TIME either one of us buys something from another board, we ask one another to pm the seller to see if the item is still for sale or something of the sort.

Change can be good and bad. There are still the few guys that post gibberish without searching first. I personally find the search option not that user friendly i am just glad i don't have too many silly question. As for new members and filtering I am pretty sure the mods don't want to be filtering every post it is not like they get paid.

Fair enough. But I would think that's what the voluntary role would entail. No offence to any of the MODS here you guys are doing a great job so far

When you reach my age, you won't be a fan of change either, LOL.

As for not being a fan of more members: I think of this place a lot like my business: There are some customers that I DON'T WANT. People who are going to nickel and dime on every purchase, or return everything they ever buy, or get me to price out huge wish lists when they can't afford a cup of coffee, would be doing me a HUGE favour if they would shop at my competitor's, LOL. Also, there is more to life than money and customers. My better customers I will bend over backwards for, some I wouldn't bother to give the time of day. The thing is, RTM Racing is never going to make me rich. I figure if I can eke out a living and help the odd person along the way, that is all I want. I would rather help a FEW DESERVING people, than a LOT of lazy people.

Of course, it is always wise to be careful. If one out of every TEN people was a scammer, we would all have major problems. Even one in a hundred is too many.

Let's simplify this a little. I have been reading a lot of "I got scammed on Tuners" or "I got burned on Ebay"......when was a member here last scammed by another member here? Let's see if the system seems to be working?

Understood!

Mike Eng scammed me! Just kidding I think I robbed him on our last transaction.


But I think my account is on a Hotmail account aswell.

Sometimes, when you want to sell something, the price of it is irrelevant when you want it to go to a good home

meh, I don't see a problem at all with the way things are on this forum.

I read through the posts above, but still don't understand what the problem is with signing up for an account here?

I had no issues.