Because Race Car!

LOL!

I look at it this way:

I'm a business man. I look at what I'll get the most value for my money. Investing in an inferior product which I will have to upgrade later on down the road does not make sense to me. I know with ECMLink the way it is right now, if any new firmware updates or software updates come out, they are free. It's got the best online support forum with the FASTEST and MOST EXPERIENCED (Think Ron Shearer, John Shepherd, Paul Volk, Cory Bowes, John Wigger etc) on it which run the fastest times at the Shootout.

But, there are some on the board who like to try new things. Fill your boots. I'll stick with what works.

I do believe Jay, you run ECMLink right now due to the "Lack of support for 2G".

My point..... proven.

JMHO.

Sorry your point is .... weak.. but this is fun.. it happens all the time.

Dsmap is always upgrading its firmware.. On the dsmap forum.. that basicly what they discuss... since yoi rarely see discusions of problems. There is one programer who dosent do this for a living. He dosent even own a Dsm any more. He has some field testers whos cars are running better then 10s. He dosent play with 2gs cause he dosent like the obd2 and well 2gs. Dsmap im pretty sure was around before link.. the original guys were the ones who created mmcd and he first chip burners. And most of the big names in DSM dont use Link either. They use things like Haltec and AEM. Your a business man.. well your an aunterprentour(sorry bout the spelling) But a good business man will take risks to improve himself or save money.

Bet you have an Iphone... same thing... marketed to be the best ... so everyone gets one... That makes every one think its the best... but the specs always say differant.

Hak from Dsmap isnt in it to make money.

I actually have an Android phone, which has always been far superior to that of the IPhone. And Jay, being a former business owner yourself, you should know what happens when a business doesn't market itself properly.

And my point is not weak. 10's are easy these days. Jay, you're so far behind I'm passing you. DSMap was cool and all, 5 years ago. Get with the times buddy. They've adapted ECMLink to work on the EVO 8+ Platform and they're installing MIVEC into DSMs.

Besides, at the shop I just bought into, we'll be dealing in a lot more different platforms. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Mistubishi and Subaru.

Is this shop open yet Ryan?

Yes, been open for a month now. I'll be putting a proper advertisement in the classifieds section soon.

http://www.jfpauto.com/

Cool, look forward to seeing it.

Is the banner the shop car?
https://www.facebook.com/JFPAutomotive

LOL, I hope that website is getting updated soon

Ok. yes marketing is what got link famous. and when I bought my first dsm.. Everyone and their mom said I should just get Link. But Unlike everyone else..I have been playing with Megasquirt and knew I could tune a car for far less money and have more options. So I looked into it. and found Dsmap. Everyone was using its tech before Link came out... but when Link came out.. The guys at DSMap had a fall out. So they never went anywhere and well Thomus took the need of every dsmer by the balls and made a tone of money marketing something everyone Insisted on. Dsmap came back and is constantly upgradeing to keep up with what the customer wants.. But becuase they want to help... not make money..

Get with the times???? Even Buscher himself said hes surprised he even sees dsms any more. And for the record last time I was checking out his cars on his website.. his high hp cars dont use link.

Im not saying dsmap ia the best out there... Im saying it gives alot more for the buck the link does... thats alll. most people here will never need more then What dsmap offers anyway..


And are yousaying that link will be able to run in nissans etc. Well you know dsmap technicly can run in any car with a eprom.. But get with the time... all those cars are classics now. We dont need to reinvent the wheel.... whe need to start somthing new.

wait never mind... I just reread yor last post...

Im done.. I got my point across and I believe Ive shown what i need to show to prove my point..

Sorry kirk for litering your post with other people bashing my idea and insulting my intelligents.

Fixed that for you Jay, don't make the rest of us look like bad guys.
After listening to you preach about DSMap over the last few years I look back and wish I had given it a try.

One thing I will say is there might be an issue with resell.
MAF-T is a pain to resell and I would expect that the ostrich would be the same.

Also Ryan, do you have a business that's been going for more than 3 years?
If not I don't see how you can tell anyone how to do marketing.
DSMLink took advantage of an opportunity and did a damn good job at it, they are a company and that's what they do as their day job. Also can't say updates are free, to update from v2 to v3 is not cheap and is about the total cost you will pay for in your lifetime of using DSMap. DSMap is a small team of people who do it on the side, so you can expect things to happen as fast and as quickly as they do for DSMLink.

Bryan:

There was a conversation Jay and I had a while back at Ghislains when he said "I wish I knew how to market like you do, maybe my business wouldn't have failed."

As for Link Vs DSMap... I haven't used DSMap. It's not widely used and I was just basing my opinion on the fact that Link has more support for it, and IMO does a better job. Less hardware, more user friendly, and you don't have to force the car in openloop all the time.

As for cluttering up the thread, my apologies, but I believe Kirk wanted some opinions.

Jay, sorry for insulting your "intelligence".

Moving on...

I will agree with you on the open loop, I am not a huge fan of that either even though it should allow you to setup your exact AFR but will probably make idle tuning harder when making mods.

I will also say that people though much the same about Android when it first came out and look at it now. This is another example of a big company with a large amount of followers and another company doing something with more community involvement and less hype. Linux vs Windows is another. I think you get the idea.

Open loop idle tuning was easy.. idled better then stock.. cruised better then stock... and wot better then stock obviously.. When I upgraded to my 750 injectors.. I had no problem dialing them in..even not having any idea what dead times to start with. And tuning well just as easy as any fuel tuning maps.

Ryan... you cant have an opinion on wether link is better the dsmap if you never installed and tuned with dsmap. I have done both and I fully recomend dsmap over link to anyone...atany street rated opwer level. Take it from experience. Every arguement about dsmap vs link always ends in link having more sapport.. which to me means nothing... theres plenty of sapport for both platforms

You are a better marketer them me... Im a horrable people person. But thats like saying your better them me at designing table top center peices.. Cause I suck at that too. You seem to be good at it.. but like Bryan says.. Most dont consider being succesful at anylevel of business for at least 3 years.

Keep the personal business out of this thread please - we all have our strenghts and weaknesses.

Has anyone here had a good experience tuning with MAF-T? Since you already own it I would probably try that first.

But yeah it's hard to go wrong with DSMLink...

you'll get better results with 650cc and lower injectors using an SAFC or neo then using the MAF-t junk....JUNK!!

+1 for DSMLink because of the support you receive, I sent logs to Tom at ECMLink MANY times and he responded quickly with tweaks and suggestions to my tune until she ran like a swiss clock...even with a blown HG, stretched head studs and 2 broken valves...she ran all summer long! this wouldn't of been possible without Link and the boys at ECMtuning.

I could never get the maft to work.. I got it to idle but it would thro a sel and my fuel trims seem to be way too high.

And we could battle link vs dsmap all day its an age old debate. They will both do what most wil ask from them and they both have the same sapport.....Hak himself has used that windows program to actually look at my screen while I was driving around logging.

As far as settong them both up.. sure link has alot of people to ask about the 15 or so problems most noobies have about start up.. And trust me or dont but there are alot of people who are willing to help set up dsmap. Altho there rarely is a reason it shouldnt start up and run as soon as you install it. Unlike closed loop setups where you have 15 sensors fighting each other to make the engine run efficiantly... open loop setups like dsmap and megasquirt and most other stand alones only have 2 main variables... air... rpms..with every customizable threshhold at your comand.

After its running well most tuning soft wear is the same. So I could ask all my buddies at dsmap.com. or ask anyone else who knows how to change a VE table or timing map.

Im not saying that link is a bad choice.... I just wish Link people wouldnt talk sh!t about dsmap cause chances are... as in this case..... they dont know.

Either way.. Ive already been discussing with Kirk thru pm about this. Hes already started spending money. He made his decision before this all got personal.

Im not speaking ill of dsmap because like you said... ive never used it. all I'm saying here is a big +1 for dsmlink because of the support i recieved. AEM FTW! jk

Yup buying a socketed ecu and a chip, but feel free to carry on lol

Whats your thoughts on a used clutch?

Depends on how used.
I would check with how many kms it has on it and if it had been use on the drag strip or just on the street.

What would be a reasonable amount of kms?

10-20kms. I personally wouldn't consider anything more than that. BUT to each their own. I also just wouldn't buy used friction parts other than tires.

used clutches are fine if you know where there coming from.. theres lots of clutches forsale from part outs with low milage. Ive never bougt a new clutch.. and never had a problem with used clutches. Consifering how much you pay for a new Pp plate.. disk.. and flywheel. If you can get a second hand one for a good price that has been broke in well and not abused. Then go for it.

Yeah I wouldn't worry about a used pressure plate.
I would worry about the disk and the flywheel, and mostly about a reputable shop to get the flywheel stepped.

This.

You could find yourself a good quality used PP and lightened flywheel and get yourself a new disc.

Clutch is sorted all I need is a fuel pump rewire kit and a data logger. I have a few more questions though.
what is the advantage of setting my afpr to 44psi with my walbro 255.
and with my setup running the burnt chip how will I know the max boost I can run?.

Higher base fuel pressure will help keep injector duty cycle down.

Keep in mind, most if not all the injectors available for our cars are rated at ~45psi, so if you're only running 37.5psi, you're not flowing anywhere near what the injector is rated at.

Gotcha well I have fic 650's so they should be good at 44psi?

You will find the boost can be raised till you see either knock or too high of duty cycle. Since you running 660s at 44psi you wont see too high of duty cycle before it knocks. You watch the knock on the logger. Unless your chip programer made your cel or stock boost gauge a knock moniter. Then you could just raise the boost untill then.

You can get a older laptop with a serial port or a newer laptop and a serial port adapter for usb. And make the connector then use a pc based logger or buy a old palm pilot. The palm will be easier.. thats what I use in my wifes chipped 1g

I would recommend palm, I tried a ton of option to get a laptop to work with no luck at all.

Ya ctaully I agree.. I never got a loptop logger to work. Do the reasearch on which palm to use and how to do it. look up mmcd.

Laptops are so much better for logging.. I think the value of my old serial port equipped laptop is increasing

I think I still have a Belkin USB-Serial adapter around, the one you needed to use for DSMLink V2.

Has anyone used the bluetooth mmcd adaptor for smart phones?
My old boost gauge will be the knock monitor. What kind of power could I expect from my set up im beginning to wonder if my evo intercooler will be big enough.

I use the blue tooth with torque pro on my envoy and 2g.. But they are obd2.

Anywhere between 250-400hp depending on how well you can tune it.