Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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June 27, 2013 09:30 pm UTC
June 27, 2013 09:30 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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I'm using the Megan Racing short throw, optional 50% or 33% shorter IIRC.
I have the 50% selected and it's too close to the stereo head unit when in fifth gear.
I'll likely switch it to the 33%.
Our shifter's (2g's) are gay!!!! The oem one sticks up like a truck shifter and although feels "ok"..the throws are long. And the console makes it look even weirder when in 2nd, or 4th gear. By just looking at it, you would think the shifter was in neutral.
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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June 28, 2013 12:41 am UTC
June 28, 2013 12:41 am UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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Im using a Findanza short shifter. BUT........I highly modified my shifter base to be a whole new monster. I actually CNC machined new parts where plastic and rubber were before. I also made high precision fit bushings made to a tight tolerance to ride on a custom made bolt that runs through the whole linkage. This combined with new brass bushings on the tranny, and a fresh set of OEM shifter base bushings in the cockpit, makes for a damn nice feel I CANT WAIT TO DRIVE THIS CAR. I put a LOT of time and effort into my shift setup. Just sitting in the seat, and shifting gears while the car is up on jack stands makes me smile. Its literally the niccest feel Ive ever felt on any car ive driven. Lets hope it shifts once the car is running Its one of the only things I didnt take pics of. Its all together now, and hard to show, but I DO have CAD files for all the parts I manufactured, and I can show some screen shots of the cad file when I dig them up. I suggest NOT using solid base bushings. For one, it makes it loud Secondly, as Reza said, your tranny will take more of a beating that way. When your on the gas, and shift with authority, pushing to much this way or that way with solid base bushings I think puts too much stress on the forks, where as the OEM rubber when new, quiets the shifting down significantly, and takes some slack and force off the tranny side linkage I tried Solid bushings at the base, and I prefer the OEM. But My base is "slack free" and everything else is tight tight tight, so to me the noise was the thing that made me not use the solid base bushings. Last note, Im rocking an OEM weighted shift knob. I personally feel Ive got the perfect shift setup ATM. (next to an Ikeya sequential )
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Rob Cauduro]
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June 28, 2013 06:00 am UTC
June 28, 2013 06:00 am UTC
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Johnny Larmond
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Im using a Findanza short shifter. BUT........I highly modified my shifter base to be a whole new monster. I actually CNC machined new parts where plastic and rubber were before. I also made high precision fit bushings made to a tight tolerance to ride on a custom made bolt that runs through the whole linkage. This combined with new brass bushings on the tranny, and a fresh set of OEM shifter base bushings in the cockpit, makes for a damn nice feel I CANT WAIT TO DRIVE THIS CAR. I put a LOT of time and effort into my shift setup. Just sitting in the seat, and shifting gears while the car is up on jack stands makes me smile. Its literally the niccest feel Ive ever felt on any car ive driven. Lets hope it shifts once the car is running Its one of the only things I didnt take pics of. Its all together now, and hard to show, but I DO have CAD files for all the parts I manufactured, and I can show some screen shots of the cad file when I dig them up. I suggest NOT using solid base bushings. For one, it makes it loud Secondly, as Reza said, your tranny will take more of a beating that way. When your on the gas, and shift with authority, pushing to much this way or that way with solid base bushings I think puts too much stress on the forks, where as the OEM rubber when new, quiets the shifting down significantly, and takes some slack and force off the tranny side linkage I tried Solid bushings at the base, and I prefer the OEM. But My base is "slack free" and everything else is tight tight tight, so to me the noise was the thing that made me not use the solid base bushings. Last note, Im rocking an OEM weighted shift knob. I personally feel Ive got the perfect shift setup ATM. (next to an Ikeya sequential ) If you had said anything other then this, I would of been shocked Oh, and I've used the Fidanza one and I really liked it. Nice, smooth, tight, and short. No idea which I have installed now because it cams with the car, but it appears to be a pretty solid piece.
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Salomon Ponte]
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June 28, 2013 01:08 pm UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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Oilite is damn near as expensive as gold...
I would like to see pictures of this setup, though!
Oilite is cheap at princess auto, they sell bushings ready for machining. If you have to buy a bar, yes its costly. I would have to take it all apart to take pics of the actual work. It looks the same assembled as any other base to be honest. Hence why I wanted to show screen shots of my models of the replaced parts, once I find the damn USB stick they are on
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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June 28, 2013 02:49 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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My previous car had a shortened OEM with a light metal knob and it took some effort to put into gears, but felt okay.
Switched to an OEM stick, and weighted knob and it felt so different.
New car, OEM stick, lightweight knob, felt weird to me, as the stick had a tendency to flick/spring back into neutral position, and throws felt so damn short, because of it.
Thought it was a short throw shifter.
Threw on my weighted knob and it felt "normal" to me again.
The weighted knob makes so much of a difference, whether it be a positive one or a negative one is purely preference.
I prefer the weighted shift knob.
Edit: Stock height throws might seem long, but I mean how short do you want it? The stock throws give me confidence that it's in gear fully. I drove my friend's STI and holy cow, the throws were so short, took time to adjust, and I had no idea if it was in gear or not for the first 5mins.
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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June 29, 2013 02:03 am UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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I went from a stock 1g to a 2g stock shift knob, and that made a nice difference, then I went to a weighted shift know and that made a huge differenc!
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Michael Lee]
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June 29, 2013 04:09 am UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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Stock height throws might seem long, but I mean how short do you want it? The stock throws give me confidence that it's in gear fully. I drove my friend's STI and holy cow, the throws were so short, took time to adjust, and I had no idea if it was in gear or not for the first 5mins.
Ideally I PERSONALLY PREFER the knob heavy and as close to the wheel as possible while at the same time having to do as little movement as possible. Theres no doubt when I shift Im in gear. I took the extra effort to eliminate ANY SLACK in the entire system, and when there is no back lash, you KNOW when your in gear by simply feeling it, not by how much it moves.
Last edited by Rob Cauduro; June 29, 2013 04:13 am UTC.
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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July 02, 2013 07:37 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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Oh yeah, I have the symborski kit in the old car, and one now apparently has the RTM kit. Didn't check.
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Re: 2g stock shifter vs aftermarket short throw
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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July 02, 2013 09:20 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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I think the difference is aluminium versus stainless steel.
I'm rocking the RTM ones.
Will be adjusting the Megan to 30% instead of 50% because in fifth gear, it blocks my head unit and is a nuissance for simply that reason.
These shifters are from a perfect science. Which is unfortunate, considering how much fun and how gorgeous these cars are.
I did notice a HELL of a difference when I installed the Megan shifter, brass bushings under the hood, and the RTM solid base bushings. It took away that sloppy feeling it had when in gear, and movement from side to side.
I'll likely never upgrade any further than what I've done. It's an improvement from what it was...and I still recommend the Megan shifter. It's a solid construction, unlike some past ones I've owned back in my Honda days..I literally broke two A/M shifters while daily driving..the knob snapped right off from the threads.
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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