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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409160
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Wife complains about the house smelling of the garage.
man gets big ass ventalation fan.
wife complains about noise of fan.
man contemplates hiring a hitman.
I CANT WIN!!!!!! LOL.

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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409171
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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409174
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I would have replaced the door and insulate the garage


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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409182
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Windows 7 64bit, ASA is working fine. Unfortunately the one I have doesn't have evo x in it.


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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409188
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I would suggest just build a separate building then the noise wont bother her what so ever smile

Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409588
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She has left me alone about the smell for a few days, I reckon the sawzall to the nose threat did it.
Sooooo the new engine is no closer to been on the stand due to me ordering m8 threaded rod to use in the tranny mounting holes instead of m10.

but I did get the transfer case off can you guess where it landed from the pic?

I also got the passenger side axle out using good old British ingenuity I.e a rope and a big bar plus my brawn.
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Hopefully the pooched motor will be out this weekend, which turned out to be a 6 bolt too, (worth anything for a rebuild??)

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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409598
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If the block isn't destroyed and the crank is good (block in particular) you can definitely make a few bucks selling it.


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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409604
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Sweet although if the block is good ill just get another head and keep it spare.

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That looks like it might have sucked a little..... or a lot. Most likely a lot.....
Glad you got it out though!


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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409754
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Yeah it came out easier than I thought, do I need that ball bearing in the shaft now or is it no big deal?
Also im getting ready to pull the motor at the weekend and here is whats done so far let me know if I have missed any thing.

Driveshafts, transfer case, exhaust, power steering lines, a/c lines, throttle cable, plugs, sensors, hoses, rad and I think thats it.

does the abs and battery tray need to come out, it looks tight.

Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #409756
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If you're lifting the engine and tranny out as one through the top then you'll want that battery tray gone. Can't speak on the ABS module as I have no idea where they are/what they look like in a 1G because mine never had it and I don't think I've ever seen a 1G with it.


Make sure all sensors/etc. are disconnected. Knock sensor is one most people forget about - make sure you do it!

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I may take the abs out to be safe ill bypass it any way, anyone got a non abs prop valve they dont need.

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Today was very productive.
I got some kyb adjustables for my ground control coilover sleeves.
I got my replacement engine on the stand.
I also managed to get the engine out smile


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Can I just go ahead and jet wash the engine bay, everything that will get wet will dry right??????

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Just wrap up the harness in plastic and cover any holes to interior...should be fine otherwise.


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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #410227
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You sure can. Maybe try and stay away body plugs so you dont soak you interior. Then if you have a blow gun you can blow out the connectors.

Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #410237
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Cheers guys there is a tonne of oil and cv grease all over it. But no rust at least. smile

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All the pullys and tensioners look to be in good condition, but I have a brand new water pump so I really should install it but I have never done a timing belt before and im a bit nervous tbh.

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A timing belt job is only bad if you screw it up wink The trick is to make sure all the little arrows are lined up properly and that's it! (and making sure your balance shafts are orientated properly if you still have them) The VFAQ is very straight forward. Go for it!

Ooooooo! You have a gooey knock sensor! I've never actually seen one do it, but I hear about it all the time. That will need to be replaced and yes, it does just unscrew from the block.


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Re: 92 awd talon build [Re: Kirk Harding] #410452
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Kirk, timing is really easy. Don't sike yourself out. Just line up everything before you take the belt off, that way when you go to put it back on it's easy!


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Johnny, looking at this pictures he does indeed still have the balance shafts. I've never done a t-belt job with the balance shafts in and I'd be willing to bet many of the people on here haven't either. Haha...not that it makes it much harder, just more work/time consuming.

Kirk, it's pretty straightforward to do a timing job, especially with the engine out of the car.

And as Johnny mentioned, that's a gooey (i.e. no good) knock sensor). Just spray it with some penetrating oil and pull 'er out. Be very careful not to overtighten the new one when you put it in, but at the same time make sure it's tight enough that it won't come loose and cause you tons of headaches.


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Cool there is one on the old motor ill swap them out, is the balance shaft delete worth it?

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Best way to them is out of the car. Can't get much easier.Give her go. Also make sure your hydro tensioner isnt leaking around its seal if it is toss it and get a new one no sense risking it.

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Originally Posted by Kirk Harding
Cool there is one on the old motor ill swap them out, is the balance shaft delete worth it?


Well, you're cutting down on rotational mass which robs you of power. BUT, it does make for a nice smooth idle. Totally up to you. If you do plan on doing it, get the full kit. No cutting corners!
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I wont have time for that the wife is going away for the weekend so I am going to throw as much time as I can at the car. Should get some real progress done.

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Also I have a 90 oil filter housing, is it worth picking up a stock oil cooler?

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I think that can only be answered by your operationg temperatures.
If you run hot than it will keep the car cooler, if your car is already cool than your car might over cool.


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Actually, the 90 housing has a thermostat built in to open a bypass around the cooler when the oil temps are too low, so that doesn't really end up being an issue.

It's generally a good idea for these cars to have some kind of oil cooling, since the oil is having to cool the turbo.


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Kirk remember to get a new balance shaft belt if you plan on keeping them, the BS belt spins MUCH faster then the timing belt, losing that stupid little belt could (and often does) take the timing belt with it when it lets go.

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Id go with the cooler... the water cooling way is a known fail for dsms... they leak coolant into the oil.

Id get rid of the balance shaft BELT... My 1g was making a horrible noise for a week. and I couldnt figure it out till I removed the belt cover and found my balance shaft belt was shredded and trying to feed itself into the timing belt sprokets. I removed the belt.. but left the shafts and it drives fine. vibrates more then my Envoy.... but not enough to bother my wife.

When you swap knock sensors... take some rtv or window weld and fill the back where the screw is. this helps eliminate phantom knock from th the rest of the engine bay.

Since you have the motor out... remove and clean the oil pan. Then give it a fresh rtv seal.

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Cheers guys, I im at the junk yard today so ill nopefully get sll my non abs stuff and the cooler.

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Originally Posted by Jay Stacey


Id get rid of the balance shaft BELT... My 1g was making a horrible noise for a week. and I couldnt figure it out till I removed the belt cover and found my balance shaft belt was shredded and trying to feed itself into the timing belt sprokets. I removed the belt.. but left the shafts and it drives fine.


Do not run your car with out a balance shaft belt if you still have balance shafts installed!

Just google what can happen, theres also a bunch of threads on tuners about removing them completely or just replacing the belt but NEVER just do it halfway and run no belt with them installed.

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Originally Posted by Terry Sikora
Do not run your car with out a balance shaft belt if you still have balance shafts installed!

Just google what can happen, theres also a bunch of threads on tuners about removing them completely or just replacing the belt but NEVER just do it halfway and run no belt with them installed.
This is how ForcePower does it.
Was looking at one built by them right after I bought my car, guy informed me they just remove the belt and it's been fine.


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So I bit the bullet on a few things.
A/C gone.
ABS gone.
bought a balance shaft belt replaced that and the waterpump.
did the timing and got it spot on with my 3rd try.
I also bought a double flaring tool for the brakes.
and some more fuel.
all in all a very good day.

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That rule sound like it could get you in trouble.. But good work on the Tbelt nice and easy out of the car arent they?

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Hurting today too much fuel last night now im running lean.
Hosed the bay down, and im starting to put the turbo and accessories on will hopefully have some good progress pics tonight.

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All went well today minus the tranny the motor is good to drop in, which would happen in the morning if the brake flaring tools accessory hadn't have broken, so a trip to partsource in the morning to exchange the tool and mKe a few lines I should have it dropped in tomorrow.

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