Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 12, 2014 12:48 am UTC
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Does the crank angle sensor not send the spark signal? He said it was up to 3k RPM that it would sputter.
It's probably not the plug order, but does it really take that long to check the plug order that it wouldn't be worth a check?
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 12, 2014 03:21 pm UTC
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If you think it's the wires, you can check them with an ohm meter.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 12, 2014 07:12 pm UTC
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Does the crank angle sensor not send the spark signal? I'd be happy to provide you an explanation, but given that it does not pertain to this thread, I would rather do it elsewhere. I don't mean to be offensive, I just notice that every new DSMer that comes on here with an issue gets sent down a half dozen blind alleys. Awais - If you would like to check your wires, that is your prerogative. You will find they are in the right order. Testing spark plug wires with an ohm meter is pointless. Given that there's nothing wrong with your wires, testing them by any procedure at this point would also be pointless. You checked for fuel. Good. Now check for spark.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 12, 2014 07:33 pm UTC
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Does the crank angle sensor not send the spark signal? I'd be happy to provide you an explanation, but given that it does not pertain to this thread, I would rather do it elsewhere. I don't mean to be offensive, I just notice that every new DSMer that comes on here with an issue gets sent down a half dozen blind alleys. Awais - If you would like to check your wires, that is your prerogative. You will find they are in the right order. Testing spark plug wires with an ohm meter is pointless. Given that there's nothing wrong with your wires, testing them by any procedure at this point would also be pointless. You checked for fuel. Good. Now check for spark. No offense taken. However when I was changing the plugs I noticed one of the wire was loose meaning it doesn't click into the distributor properly. They are taylor 8mm wires. I widened the clip end of the wire and now it's a little better but still no go. And the boot on the end of two wire boot came off when pulling them from the spark plugs. I appreciate the help and I understand where you are coming from. I don't want to go checking or purchasing parts blindly either. Will check for spark today and will report back. Also will confirm if I have fuel coming by removing the spark plug after a try at starting the car.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 12, 2014 08:16 pm UTC
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No offense taken. However when I was changing the plugs I noticed one of the wire was loose meaning it doesn't click into the distributor properly. They are taylor 8mm wires. I widened the clip end of the wire and now it's a little better but still no go. And the boot on the end of two wire boot came off when pulling them from the spark plugs.
That can be problematic so it's good you noticed it. The reason I'm saying your wires are fine is because you say it runs perfectly fine at times, other than the fact that it stalls after 5 seconds. That wouldn't be possible with wires in a bad order, or an unplugged wire, etc. Also, our engines are perfectly capable of running without one cylinder, so you're looking for something that affects at least two of them, intermittently. However, as a side note, I would replace your Taylor wires with the factory NGKs found here as soon as possible.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 12, 2014 08:20 pm UTC
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Might be a dumb question but you did replace the 4 year fuel in the tank?
It most likely wouldnt cause your sometimes runs fine problem but it could be cause of the others. Yes there was barely any in the car. Ran it out and put fresh 91 to the top.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 12, 2014 09:13 pm UTC
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You will need to chose a place to upload your stuff first then post the link. My two choices are google picasa and dropbox.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 12, 2014 10:44 pm UTC
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Guys we have spark on all 4 wires. The spark plugs I put in 2 days ago and u can see they're fowling really badly. They're brand new plugs. They were black and smelled funky and the black gunk is like oil.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 12, 2014 10:51 pm UTC
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Getting gas going to the fuel rail. Took the line that goes from the fuel filter into the fuel rail off, asked my brother to crank it and gas went pouring into the cloth I was covering the line with.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 12:47 am UTC
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What's a socket? And I know the ecu looks fine to the eye but could there be something funky going on electronically? I mean I have spark and I am getting fuel. Thing just doesn't wanna start. Could it be the CAS? Thank god this isn't my daily lol. Have a 89 probe. Phew lol
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 01:03 am UTC
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Understood. I will do some more tests tomorrow or Sunday I havent checked the injectors yet. Could my coil pack me going? And I am not sure when the last owner did the timing belt job. Car has 142000 kms.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 01:38 am UTC
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The plugs are oily. I just wiped them clean. And I gaped them to around .028. Gas came pouring out with a bit of pressure. And when I disconnected the line there wasn't any pressure on the fuel rail. I will do a compression test soon.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 02:02 am UTC
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Yea when I took the line from fuel rail there was no pressure it just opened up without any dramatic effects. However when I aksed my brother to crank the car gas came pouring out that it wet the whole rag in about 2 seconds.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Jeremy Gilbert]
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December 13, 2014 02:31 am UTC
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The ECU looks fine.
I would also suggest pinching your fuel return line to see what happens. If your regulator isn't holding enough pressure, you won't get enough fuel to keep the car running. Pinching the line is a makeshift way of applying the pressure to the rail when your regulator cannot.
Gasoline is a cleaner; last time I was flooding, my plugs came out with a mirror finish. Only one plug was semi clean. The rest dark and black and gunky. I think it could be the fuel pump or the fuel pressure regulator. I will pinch the wire and check.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 02:58 am UTC
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Oh man I'm so relieved. I will look it up how to do a fuel pressure test. I just hope I don't have to change the fuel pump. Cuz from what I heard its a pain to do it.
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