Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 04, 2014 11:26 pm UTC
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That's right. Mike already has a double syncro 1st gear that I installed in the 1990 AWD converted to FWD trans that I built him a few months ago. Now you could give me that trans and I can install the 1990 style Evo1 3rd and 4th gear and a 64 tooth ring gear. You can leave it FWD or find the evo rear diff ring and pinion and achieve your goal. or Pull the trans out of the red car that I built and drop in a evo3 3rd and 4th gear, 3-4 rail, 1g 3-4 fork, 64 tooth final drive and have your ultimate close ratio trans with double syncros. Since your going to be hitting 5th gear easily, might as well make that double syncro too, along with the DSM 1st gear
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 05, 2014 05:01 am UTC
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 05, 2014 03:08 pm UTC
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So you pretty much want to change the final drive just to make 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear rev higher?
Sure sounds good on paper, but I cringe at the thought of your DSM being constantly revved out super high the whole way around Shannonville. I say your car will overheat by the end of the first lap.
I recall Daren Peacock pedalling his 2g around Cayuga last year becasue his coolant temps were getting hot. Sure as hell looked like the DSM couldn't even handle a single all out lap.
Your forgetting it's a DSM. I say you actually get it out on the track and see how the car likes the current setup before keeping the car revved near 8.5k for 2-3 km straight.
If it were me, I'd keep the gear ratio as is, and keep a smaller turbo, which makes more power under the curve, and stay in a gear longer rather than constantly revving the car high and shifting through several gears because you want it to behave like an evo3. Will the car weigh ~2500lbs as well like an evo3?
I'm almost confident you'll have overheating problems as is. I've seen it enough already. Just trying to be realistic here. This is not Gran Turismo, lol.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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February 05, 2014 04:22 pm UTC
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Ummmm no offence but, I saw EVERY car on the track that day pass both you in your Mini and Darren's DSM. I guess if impress means to just be able to pedal the car around the track, my 1g could do that all day too Sorry but the DSM looked like it was on a Sunday drive to the grocery store. I'm just being honest here. Props for taking the DSM lapping, but it definately did not impress me at all Now lay in it full for 20 minutes straight, then that'll impress me. I saw none of that.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Alex Akachinskiy]
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February 05, 2014 05:10 pm UTC
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Lol no thanks Mike! Let me mention it again. That day I saw EVERY SINGLE car out there pass both of you guys, even a Honda Civic! You were definately driving the crap out of your Mini, and it can take it, but your driving is very inconsistent. Now the DSM I can understand was overheating, but the Mini has no excuse. I'm pretty sure I pointed out every car that passed you while I was riding passenger. Now don't tell me your car just happened to be the slowest one out there that day I know you wish your name was Mike Schumacher, but its not. Your Mike @ brightside, the powdercoating guy
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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February 05, 2014 06:49 pm UTC
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hahahah nice to see everyone chatty again! Mike, you only rev to 7? What stops you from going higher? Stroker motor? I plan to rev to about 8.5K to have a nice wide powerband with the car.
I don't think they recommend to rev a 2.4 much higher than 7.5k, although many people have told me if the bottom end was done correctly, there should be no issues going higher. My car also makes over 20psi of boost before 3000rpm. I will be content with keeping it under 7.5k for the extent of it's life with all the low end power. My car also overheats at 3000rpm going down the highway... I'm sure the half rad and extra exhaust piping doesn't help. But best of luck to you holding high rpms constantly! It will be a battle! I am seriously considering rad's in the front bumper/fenderwell to compensate so I can even finish one lap on a road course.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: KEVIN KIRELUK]
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February 05, 2014 08:46 pm UTC
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Ha you guys are funny! Nice to see you active again Kevin, keep it that way Mike after seeing what your tires look like after a day of lapping, you know very well I won't be taking any of my cars for such a beating. Plus, Evo X vs Mini is not a fair match. I'll take you up on the offer in your Mini though and you can ride shotgun Other than that, I guess we can play Forza? Atleast you won't have to worry about overheating!
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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May 04, 2014 02:45 pm UTC
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So after getting this sweet transmission together. I leaned on the flywheel by accident and the entire rotating assembly moved. Pulled the thrust bearing/cap. Sure enough my 2.4L 6bolt has crank walked... Don't think I will be putting anymore $$ into this thing. Sad day, Was nice knowing you all
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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May 04, 2014 02:52 pm UTC
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So after getting this sweet transmission together. I leaned on the flywheel by accident and the entire rotating assembly moved. Pulled the thrust bearing/cap. Sure enough my 2.4L 6bolt has crank walked... Don't think I will be putting anymore $$ into this thing. Sad day, Was nice knowing you all
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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May 04, 2014 06:20 pm UTC
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sh!t Mike sorry to hear that, don't give up now though!!
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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July 03, 2014 04:05 pm UTC
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I'm back b$*ches! I had a low km motor dropped off 24hrs after I found out my car walked. it was from a car a buddy and I parted out almost 9 years ago. 106$ in gaskets. And she was back on the road with near perfect compression!! Have an idle controller back in it and just working on cruise control! I drove it to work today and the Evo 3 5th gear is pretty awesome on the highway. I have also started powdercoating on the side. Figured I'd start practicing on my own parts first. See you's at some meets and the shootout!
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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March 07, 2015 03:38 am UTC
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Nice. I like the "yeller"!!!
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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March 07, 2015 03:47 am UTC
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Wicked! Glad to see your back in compound mode!
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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March 08, 2015 06:28 pm UTC
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And your taking it for the long drive to ohio? Heck ya! It's already been down there 2 years ago with the compounds Only Problem I had was the car idling on the big slope at the border, it started to burn a bit of oil because of the angle the turbo had to stay sitting at. That should be fixed now.. I made some changes to the piping to relieve the backpressure issues I was having. I will be utilizing the internal gate on the small turbo dumping under full boost aswell as the wastegate for the large turbo dumping at full boost. 3 wastegates whaaat!? And yes I will try racing again... between the little sleep and rediclious amount of beer.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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March 09, 2015 02:43 pm UTC
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Kevin's got it. I believe the fd3 RX7's come stock with sequential turbos.
Compounds feel more linear once they are setup correctly. When I had the small turbo set on stock wastegate pressure and the large turbo set around 20ish, the small one spooled instantly, then there was a bit of lag, then the larger one started screaming and kicking in, which was cool, but not ideal.
You want both of them working in their efficient range, and the boost patterns to overlap.
My tuner said that he was having to edit parts of the VE table that he never had to pay this much attention to, or sometimes ever edit.
I am running evo8 ecu with ecu flash and evoscan. I can try and find an old log though. I believe it was 20psi before 3000.
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