Transmission Blown???
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October 09, 2015 01:44 pm UTC
October 09, 2015 01:44 pm UTC
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Danny Dias
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So last night, something bad happened on my drive home. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I figure I would explain the symptoms here and let you guys diagnose it.
So I'm in my 1ga, and I launch her at the lights (foolish, I know). I revved up to about 4000 rpm and dropped the clutch. I don't move. Instead, engine just revs high. I thought maybe she popped out of 1st, because I have been having issues with the shifter cables (I have a '90 setup, with '93 cables, so it is not perfectly aligned). So I let off, and try to put it back into first. It's in gear, I rev up, and it seems like gears are spinning, but the car is only inching forward. I put it in 2nd, and same thing, gears spinning, engine revving, but only moving faster very slowly. It feels like something is slipping, and it takes a while for it to grip until the car builds up some forward momentum. It doesn't seem to matter what gear I am in, if I push hard, the engine will rev, it will slip, and the car will not move forward as it should.
I was, however, still able to drive it home. Only issue was that anytime I came to a complete stop, it would take a long time to build up some momentum.
Another 'glitch' that I noticed while I was driving home, was that the speedometer would give me inaccurate readings of velocity. It seems to be in sync with whatever was slipping. It would say I'm going 160 km/h, when really I know I am only going 60 km/h. I feel like whatever the speedometer depends on to measure velocity, that could be the key to figuring out what is broken.
Anywho, feel free to give me your thoughts.
thanks,
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 09, 2015 01:47 pm UTC
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Salomon Ponte
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When you say: So I let off, and try to put it back into first. It's in gear, I rev up, and it seems like gears are spinning, but the car is only inching forward. I put it in 2nd, and same thing, gears spinning, engine revving, but only moving faster very slowly. Does this mean you put it into 2nd while your car is stopped or nearly stopped and had the clutch fully released and the engine didn't stall? Or were you moving enough already that the engine didn't stall when you put it into 2nd?
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 09, 2015 02:08 pm UTC
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Charles Kisielewski
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This sounds clutch(pp, disc,etc)related to me, not sure how the '90 speedo works(cable driven iirc) though.
*edit* Reza beat me to it, I would like to know what else it could be though 😊
Last edited by Charles Kisielewski; October 09, 2015 02:11 pm UTC.
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 09, 2015 02:15 pm UTC
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Just to pitch in a previous experience, when I snapped my front axle last year, that's exactly how it drove. But I'm sure you'd hear it clunking around.
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 25, 2015 11:40 am UTC
October 25, 2015 11:40 am UTC
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If you can avoid having to remove the axle opposite of the broken one, I would.
Maybe try a number of self tapping screws or drill, tap and dye, give yourself something to pry off of or simply yanking it with a pair of vice grips.
Just try to avoid getting any shavings into the tranny if you do decide to drill.
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Mike Eng]
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October 26, 2015 12:06 am UTC
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If you can avoid having to remove the axle opposite of the broken one, I would.
Maybe try a number of self tapping screws or drill, tap and dye, give yourself something to pry off of or simply yanking it with a pair of vice grips.
Just try to avoid getting any shavings into the tranny if you do decide to drill. It would be so much easier and less risky to just pop the driver axle out. As for the magnet comment - if he's got a strong electromagnet he'll be able to overcome that clip but I'm guessing he doesn't have one, particularly in the form factor he'd need to get it out
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Jason Drew]
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October 26, 2015 05:47 am UTC
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It takes all of 5 minutes to remove the drivers side axle, the half shaft makes it very easy, it doesn't even have a clip holding it in the trans. Also, have fun drilling or tapping that hardened axle.
Get some shavings or bits of a broken drill bit or tap in the trans and you've got a LOT bigger job on your hands. Exactly this, and don't forget the stub will likely spin in the tranny. It's exponentially more work to do what you're proposing, Mike, than to just pop the driver side out and go.
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 26, 2015 05:11 pm UTC
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And this is why I would prefer to not remove the driver side axle... Be that as it may, given the risks, I will probably just suck it up, and reposition the car so I can get to the driver side axle and push out the passenger axle from within as you gentlemen have recommended. Question, do I need to drain the tranny fluid? Also, you guys mentioned how to get the broken axle out, but how about installing a replacement? I am new at this. I will update accordingly. thanks,
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 27, 2015 01:16 pm UTC
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Haha what corte said. Fronts look like this:
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 27, 2015 01:18 pm UTC
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I'm not a 1G guy, but those aren't front axles...
As stated many times above, your only option is to knock the *nub out from the driver side. There is no way you're going to overpower that c-clip with any other method. Judging by your pictures of the damage, it was a very clean cut.
Just suck it up and do the job correctly. Most of the time, while we look for short cuts we double the length of the job all because we don't want to remove a couple more bolts.
sh!t simple job, you've got this.
Pro tip: Properly drain and dispose of the used tranny fluid. Fewer things worse then tranny fluid soaking into your garage floor, nm the smell..... Use the drain plug for a controlled flow. It'll go all over the place if you use the "auto drain" feature on these cars.
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 27, 2015 06:21 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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Forgot to add, I do have these axles from the 1g parts car.
I'm sort of tempted to see if my carbide drill bit would work with a helicoil.
Last edited by Mike Eng; October 27, 2015 06:36 pm UTC.
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Re: Transmission Blown???
[Re: Danny Dias]
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October 27, 2015 06:39 pm UTC
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Helicoil requires a tap, and if it takes carbide to drill it, you will never successfully tap it
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