Ok, I know some of you are going to give me a big slap in the head for this, but hear me out.

I can get a deal on a freshly re-built, ported 14B.

Now, my reasoning..

I'm already getting wheelspin through 2nd (and I'm told a fair bitin third, but I can't hear it.. Vince.. ) I think I need to start focusing more on my driving, or get slicks.. (don't want slicks..) So, I don't see the point in adding much more power unless I want to go AWD.. (Yes, I finally said it, Craig!! )

So.. your thoughts??

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..
ICQ # 9622983 My Home Page...

[This message has been edited by Steve Kinnaird (edited October 15, 2000).]

Think:

"Massive top end, highway dominance."

In higher gears, you'll pull away from just about anything.

Uh, if you get wheelspin in third friggin' gear, (really? you get wheelspin at 80-90km/h)I would advise you to leave it alone. You must be making at least 350HP!

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90 TSi FWD @ 15PSI
14.1 @ 99.5MPH
Raced a Kawasaki KX-11(or something)
Scared the hell out of me,
and him

Actaully, I'm making about 278 (crank) HP..

Like I said, I can't hear it, but another DSM member beside me said he could hear somebody's wheels slipping. He's AWD, so we're pretty sure it wasn't him. This isn't tach - sailing, rubber burning wheelspin we're talking.. just obvious traction problems...

As far as highway dominance goes, I've already got my share, and realistically, what kind of speeds are we talking here?? (rhetorical question..)

Any more comments??

(Thanks, guys.. BTW!!)

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..
ICQ # 9622983 My Home Page...

Get the 16g, and different tires. Or keep yuor current tires, just durn them flat, like me I used to get wheelspin, but not alot anymore. Deflate them alittle, but not tomuch. I got a 2.1 60' on them. The way I run them on the street.

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91 Laser turbo White, FWD
Profec A, baby
"DSM TURBO"
"OSOFAST"

SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP

Bigger Turbo, Steve, then learn how to drive with it like that.

I want to do a Colt 2litre... i was thinking a frank 2 or 3 on it. And you're whining about a 16G???? :-)

Just my thoughts.



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Darin Chalifoux, Resident Fat Guy.
1992 Plymouth Laser RS AWD

Forgive my ignorance, but what sort of LSD can you get for the FWD? I'm AWD so it's not really a concern.

Does Quaiffe make one and if so, how much?
just a thought, go with the 16g and a LSD.
(Nitto's wouldn't hurt either.) AWD baby

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Chris "I'll fix it later" Bolt
93 TSi AWD

I may be wrong, but a Quaife LSD for the front is ~1500 USD or so.

Pretty nasty amounts of cash.



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Darin Chalifoux, Resident Fat Guy.
1992 Plymouth Laser RS AWD

LOL!! I never thought about it that way.. I AM whining about getting an UPGRADED turbo and MORE power..

(shake head at self..) ;

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..
ICQ # 9622983 My Home Page...

I think we had this discussion before when you were looking at buying the FMIC.
Are you going to notice huge differences in power? No, I don't think so but you will be able to run it at about 15 psi and it will perform better than your 14b at 18-19psi. And since you've got the fmic already that is one less component you'll need. I've got to get one (fmic) myself to be able to turn up the boost beyond 15 so that the knock goes down, especially on hot days.
However, you'll likely have to upgrade your down pipe to something bigger to get even more performance, and then you need to upgrade......

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'91 Laser RS Turbo-"Sound Advice" guy.
www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/5051
Turbo + Intercooler = The replacement for Displacement

Ya, your right.. I've been going in steps all along, why stop now?

O.K. 16G here I come... anyone got one for around $500??

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..
ICQ # 9622983 My Home Page...

ahhh... good... decision made and I didn't have to add .02 or even a generous slap upside yer head

<snicker> I still think you shoulda persued that AWD option before that <cough> honda <cough> was purchased

but I think your head is clear now, and you have focus and direction, young grasshoppah (what were you smoking when you posted that anyways? can I have some? )

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93 Talon Tsi AWD
once again, mobile in style
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Street/1125/

The bigger turbo will be more noticable on higher gears, where you have enough traction anyway (unless you can break them loose in fourth or something). The 16G is a nice piece of turbo!!!

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Francois Villeneuve
Le Talon
12.32@115.3MPH

Yea go with the 16g definately!......

Psst, hey Steve, Give me a line on that ported 14b, I need a new one.

I hope the other guys didn't hear that!

I have been away from the board the past couple of days so this post is a bit late.

Steve, I could definately hear your tires slipping throughout our little run, you wern't leaving a patch but you also wern't getting 100% traction.

Now...are you feeling ok? Get the 16G! Why waste money on a rebuilt 14b when you could have a 16g for a bit more money. Look on the partstrader I alwayse see 16g's for sale, you can get a used one for around 350-400us and if you're luckey you can get a new one for $500 from some guy that wanted to convert his nt to turbo and realised it was too much work.

good luck and hopefully I'll be seeing you guys at Cayuga this weekend!



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91 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

Hey Steve, seems like we're on the same boat. I feel I've taken all that could be squeezed out of the 14b and since the car is going to be put away for the winter, I'm planning on upgrading the turbo. I get the same FWD symptoms as you. Total wheel spin on 1st and 2nd at WOT (17-18psi) and I do get the occasional chirp in 3rd. At the track, its a different story. I started running slicks a couple months ago and traction has become less and less of an issue. If you're modding your car for drag racing, slicks are a must with FWD when going beyond the 300hp mark. If you plan to do so BTW, get some slicks larger than 8 inches... that's what I have and I feel them on the verge of peeling on every launch. Get other people's opinions too, but I wish I had bought 16'' slicks instead of 15''. If you're more of a highway kamikaze, (damn my fwd LOVES highways) then the bigger the better!
At any rate, my arguments to go to a 16g (i think i'd go with a big 16g) are that you'll be untouchable on the highway (not that we do any racing on public roads...) Dont forget that a bigger turbo usually means more lag. On a FWD, lag is our friend since since too much power too fast = wheel spin. Upgrading will also make it challenging to get the power to the ground. There's even more merit to getting good ET's with a FWD. Ever notice how the MPH are higher with a FWD? Gotta love that too!

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93 Talon Tsi FWD
13.6@103.5 mph (highest 105.5MPH)
Slick 60"!

[This message has been edited by Alex Picard (edited October 22, 2000).]