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to vent or not to vent? #14565
January 15, 2001 05:36 am UTC
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does anyone know if you should vent the BOV to the intake or into the air? does it make a power difference? i have seen cars set up both ways, but which is better.


thanks. scott k.

Re: to vent or not to vent? #14566
January 15, 2001 07:10 am UTC
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Vent if you are running a VPC or a stand-alone. If you're still using the MAS, venting will hurt performance, thus, don't vent.



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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14567
January 15, 2001 01:49 pm UTC
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What ever you do dont try and vent to the atmosphere if u are running a stock system.. this happend to me on Saturday Night.. i took off the UIC and 3" intake to do some painting ect.. when i put it all back together i forgot to hook up one of the BOV lines so i was venting to the atmosphere,, i was getting very irratic idle, and the check engine light came on and went off.. the car would also stall at lights.. Venting is not for me..

just letting u know what happens on a stock system

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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14568
January 15, 2001 10:55 pm UTC
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Rob, your big problem wasn't venting to atmosphere, it was that the other end of the BOV tube before the turbo was letting air in that didn't go throught the MAS. It was running like the MAS wasn't hooked up at all.

Re: to vent or not to vent? #14569
January 16, 2001 08:52 pm UTC
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If you vent into the air, (and get that cool sound!) won't you get turbo lag? The bov vents the air back to the turbo, thus reducing lag, correct?

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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14570
January 16, 2001 10:26 pm UTC
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The reason I ask is because I can't tell the difference, other then a psssssssssssst noise. In Sport Compact mag, they did a write up about a GSX with mods. Who ever the DSM guru on project said "Venting hot o2 back into the intake doesn't equal performance", or something along those lines.

Thanks for letting me vent my question, as for my car, she will be plugged up when its not so cold outside. =)

Re: to vent or not to vent? #14571
January 16, 2001 10:42 pm UTC
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But the air has already passed through the intercooler.... so it would be warm, but not hot.
It just helps keep the turbo spooled during shifts, right? I dunno.

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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14572
January 17, 2001 12:15 am UTC
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To be honest, I don't think it does much for keeping the turbo spooled. The air just has to be routed away from the TB so it doesn't hit the throttle plate and come back the other which would complete disrupt the flow and the intake was the most convenient/logical place to do it.

I have mine vented to the atmosphere and it doesn't make a difference one way or the other in terms of lag (although maybe it would if I had a bigger turbo?).

Either way, if you can live without the cool sounds, you're better off venting it back to the intake, since the MAS has already counted the air, and if you spit it out into the atmosphere it thinks it has more air than it does, and gives a bit too much fuel when you get back on the gas.

Jeff Mitchell

Re: to vent or not to vent? #14573
January 17, 2001 12:46 am UTC
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Also, if all you have is the bov venting, besides running pig rich, you'll also lose your cruise control. Well, for me anyways. I say vent back to intake. Do as I say, not as I do. [Linked Image]


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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14574
January 17, 2001 01:33 am UTC
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kon Pappas:
Vent if you are running a VPC or a stand-alone. If you're still using the MAS, venting will hurt performance, thus, don't vent.</font>


Absolutely!

If you want to vent with stock MAS, you have to have this. It functions like an S-AFC plus it allows you to vent.

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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14575
January 17, 2001 02:21 am UTC
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Callran,

That's weird! The cruise control and venting should have nothing to do with one another.

Like I said I'm vented and I definitely don't have that problem.

Maybe a wire got clipped or you blew a fuse or something?

Jeff Mitchell

Re: to vent or not to vent? #14576
January 17, 2001 03:21 am UTC
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Actually Jeff, The cruise control still works, I just can't use it. [Linked Image] Let say I have it set at 100, [Linked Image] if it drops below that, the car will accelerate at which point the bov will begin its slow vent. This is where I lose boost and speed drops so I will be jumping between 90 and 100.
Maybe it's just on ATs. Well, at least my idle is rock steady. I would vent back to the intake if I didn't have that 3" intake.

Venting w/o shifting. COOL. [Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by Callran Woo (edited January 16, 2001).]


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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14577
January 17, 2001 03:28 am UTC
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Turbo is spooled from the exhaust side, NOT the compressor. It wont hinder performance, at the least it would make it better....reason...hooked up your compressing the air again, its warm, now you make it realy hot. Venting you abviously wouldnt do this, and you'd cool your cylinders by going rich inbetween shifts. The only problem is that it goes so rich it fluds the motor, causing a sputter.
To be honest, I dont do it, I got a sputter(or buck) when going REALY fast on the highway when I was venting, generally not good at 200+.

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Re: to vent or not to vent? #14578
January 17, 2001 04:00 am UTC
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Callran,

OK, that makes a whole lot more sense. I'm not going to feel bad for you if you blame it on the 3" intake though. [Linked Image]

Jeff Mitchell


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