I have dsmlink and maft and have not yet hooked up my plx300 wideband or got a bar sensor to calibrate the maf.

I saw 52 pounds max today airflow at around 20psi or so. Is it fairly safe to say this would be around 500 or so engine hp? I heard the gm maf can throw off this reading and if so by about how much? And would it get more exact after calibrate to the gm maf?

1997 talon awd,fully built 2.4 with FP3065 turbo.Other toys 99TAWS6,96z28,91 fwd turbo laser.

"And you guys with t25s and 14bs and 16gs can quit trying to justify them to me. I like big turbos,big TITS,big v8s with twin turbos.Big hp!Big torque.And 10 second quarters and 200mph top end impress me as well.In any car." New sig since mods locked my old one.

No,yes,13.146%,yes.

Are you pulling hte 13.146% out of your hat or what Jerry? And is that 13% lower airflow than actual or 13% higher reading than actual.

I would say your not flowing that much air at 20psi. How does your boostEST compare to your actual boost you see on your boost gauge? If they're off, I suggest playing with your airflow sliders to get them to match up. Remember, the boostEST will only be close at peak V.E.

Go to a Dyno.

Not only will the MAF-T throw it off by exactly 13.146% - What about your tuning? What about the parts? You can say X air = Y horsepower, but ONLY if the air is used PERFECTLY and in the same manner that the "calculation" warrants.

Calibrating the MAF is useful though, for better tuning.

Well dont have a dyno in my city and think nothing withing 500 miles at least. And then not sure if its awd so would need VCE and stuff.

For this year have to do it without a dyno.
So where is this 13% number pulled from and so you are saying it makes it read higher than it would with stock maf?
And does calibrating with wideband or bar sensor make it read the same as stock maf?

I wasn't overly concered if it was exactly 520 engine hp but trying to get some reasonable estimate without using a dyno right now.

No dyno, no number.
Period.

13% of all numbers are pulled out of ones ass.
The other 87%, well, out of someone elses ass.
Unless they were from a dyno

Calibrating with a MAP sensor sounds like the best idea.
And, I could be guessing here - but wouldn't the HP calculation rely on your V.E. being set correctly in DSMLink? How are you going to set that?

Installing the wideband would be a good idea too... Why the hell are you trying to get a horsepower number, when you don't even have your tuning equipment fully in place yet (and surely, are not tuned)?

Allan, you're a tool for asking these questions, you're a tool for accepting these ridiculous answers and you're a tool for trying to come up with a fake HP number.

The only other somewhat (and I use that term VERY loosely) is to actually RACE THE CAR (not some bullshit tazzo times) and use the approximate weight of the car vs your trap speed. Even then it's just an approximation, without an actual slip it's a moot point. Airflow rating? frack off.

Well thanks Tim your an ASSHOLE for saying I am a tool for asking what I though was a reasonable question about airflow and dsmlink. And I thought Jerry was being a bit silly on that 13% but hey never had my dsmlink for that long and did hear it was a bit off on pounds of airflow with it.
And I am not trying to come up with a fake HP number at all.Just a close estimate to what the car is making for power since not everyone has a dyno close to them or a VCE handy to use to convert awd over if the dyno isn't awd which most aren't.

So if you can't say something nice or give an intelligent answer then get the hell out of my post and calling people a tool is pretty fracking ignorant.Now on the other hand calling you an ASSHOLE sounds just about exactly right.

Just proves that you can't post a reasonable question on this board without getting made fun of and jumped on by some goof. :rolleyes:

1997 talon awd,fully built 2.4 with FP3065 turbo.Other toys 99TAWS6,96z28,91 fwd turbo laser.

"And you guys with t25s and 14bs and 16gs can quit trying to justify them to me. I like big turbos,big TITS,big v8s with twin turbos.Big hp!Big torque.And 10 second quarters and 200mph top end impress me as well.In any car." New sig since mods locked my old one.

Darin you for some reason are another KNOB!!
Did you know that most big magazines for many years used a vericom performance computer which is exactly like a tazzo or gtech to give numbers for many different cars and never actually ran them at a real track?

The tazzo is hardly bullshit.It has been taken down the track multiple times to check its accuracy and every time it was within a tenth for et, right on for 60ft and about 2.5 to 3 mph higher than track time.

That is pretty accurate and consistent.
It would be nice to run to the track for real numbers all the time but unfortunately just like no dyno in my city we have no track in my city either so it costs a good amount of money to go to nearest one in gas,hotels,track fees,possibly towing.Not to mention if rains you waste all your time and money since drag tracks are not open in rain obviously.

My intention has always been to go to a big city and get a proper dyno and run the car at the track after it has proper support mods.A stronger transmission and upgraded axles.
Stock parts have been known to fail all too often when running big power and flatbeds for couple hundred miles are not cheap.

All I asked is how accurate airflow in pounds is in regards to dsmlink,my gm maf. Lots of guys say the airflow number is a decent indicator of power.Trap speed is also supposed to be a very good indicator of hp also.

So no idea why you guys are being so ignorant. I am not bench racing anymore simply asking reasonable questions.Again if they are not reasonable dont' reply to the question.

It wasn't ignorant. Ignorant would mean I didn't know what I was doing. I knew exactly what I wrote.

If you want to dyno the damn thing, a VCE is cheap and easy to install so why don't you go ahead and do it.

For future references, DSMLink's air flow, intake pressure and horsepower ratings are estimates and are not true. They aren't even good estimates.

I want to dyno the car when its finished. That means with my direct port installed which is next seasons mod. I can't be driving 500 miles to go back and forth for dyno runs.Not exactly convenient. :rolleyes:

and this is from the urban dictonary I think it applies perfectly to you!

9. Ignorant

A word used to denote anyone who is particularly obnoxious, unintelligent, annoying, vain, cynical, rude, jerky, or any other undesirable qualities.

When you ask a quality question, I'll give a quality response. If you are going to dyno the car when it's finished then stop bench racing and give it up. Then again, your name fits the bill: Ultimate Bench Racing.

Is it just me or can Allan not open his mouth without someone jumping down his throat?

HAHAHAHAH

To be honest with you guys, I think Allen's bench racing theory is kind of interesting. I'd like to find out how close he can estimate his horse power before he actually Dyno's it. Its also interesting on all the little things I didn't know and learning.

Hmm Tim according to your webpage you don't even have dsmlink so what makes you so sure all their numbers are wrong.They might be estimates but some are supposed to be very close if the right
data like injector size,dead time,car weight,etc things are fed into the program.

And did you know that mph at the track is actually an estimate? That incar timing devices are actually more accurate for mph?

Oh yeah also see no dyno on your homepage and no track times either.Afraid to dyno it or take your car to the track? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

And I kind of like the bench racing thing.Like I am sure you have never had someone ask you what you think your car can run and you just replied "WELL GOLLY I HAVE NO F.. ING CLUE! I HAVE NEVER DYNOED IT OR TRACKED IT!"
Its not bench racing to look at similar cars with similar mods and venture a prediction. Its pretty much a given your car will run in a range from say high 11s to low 13s. Guess they should take programs off the market like desktop dyno after all they are all about big bad bench racing!

And why bother posting any track times. They are useless anyway as they are 100% dependent on the weather that day,the wind,temp,altitude.Just cause a car runs 11.5 once don't mean it can do the same on another day at another track.Its still just a shifting mirage. Change virtually any variable in boost level,tuning,tires ,raceweight and you will get totally different results.
Even the most consistent bracket racing car which are usually the ones with no power or no wheelspin and usually automatics can vary quite a bit from day to day from just weather factors.
So when someone says their car runs 11.5 ,that was that day ,at that altitude ,at that boost ,wtih that 60ft ,with that track prep,etc.
Or is this over your head?

Not to mention dynos are estimates and different dynos give different numbers,mustangs are lower than dynojets,etc.
Not all black and white.
But guess Tim if you don't dyno your car or track it you must be a street racer.Whatever floats your boat.

And I doubt you would know an intelligent question if it hit you on the head.

And on the subject and hey he started it..so what does your slug run Ryan?Any dyno and track numbers? How about a mod list or is it stock?

Well thanks Gabriel ,as long as their have been machines that men race against each other and before that with their horses people have always done the "What if?" or the Mine is faster than yours stuff. Its human nature,testosterone,competition for mates,whatever its ingrained in our male brain.

There is nothing wrong with it inherently but of course the BS stops at the track or street or dyno or wherever.Hard numbers take the place of
What ifs and could have ,should have and would have don't mean much when you are looking at someones tailights or they are looking at yours.

But yeah if my car was stock or mildy modded not much point in bench racing .You could just look up hundreds of similar times in magazines or the boards and pretty much guess the et and mph from looking at what a thousand other guys have run.

Once you start modding heck out of things it becomes a bit more of wild card what the car can do in reality and on paper.Especially since you now have to deal with something called awd tire spin!Sometimes all the way down the track.And that can make things very interesting.

Thanks for the history lesson Al, but I think what these guys are telling you is basically what you said yourself in the last post "Once you start modding the heck out of things it becomes a bit more of wild card what the car can do in reality and on paper" So why are you even worried about it until you dyno it?

Maybe you have 1000hp and all that wheel spin makes it feel like only 500! Only the SuperTalon knows the truth!

You wonder why people pick on you.. Figure it out

Don't use the number for anything but a comparison for tuning purposes, and you'll be fine.

For instance, I have some "dyno" software I use to try different things on the car. I would never trust the actual number it gives me, but it's good to see if that number is going up, or down, because it IS pretty consistant.

Fine Steve a decent intelligent nice response.
Thanks for that.

Adam I asked because nice to know how the car is doing as things progress with tuning.Nice to see if it is in the ballpark for power with similar modded cars.
Why bother to tune it at all .Might as well just leave it at 10psi and pig freakin rich on the stock fuel map and have it get beat by t25s, 14bs and evo16s.

And betting if it does dyno good and track good most of you guys will just say well it better for what he spent on it! Damn if you do,damned if you don't.

But I will tell you my 14b laser has done a lot of sitting since got the 97 running.And my buddy that raced me with his 320rwhp dynoed 2001 z28 when breaking the car in at 12psi or so said he won't now at 20psi. So say what you want guys,bigger turbos are more fun!


1997 talon awd,fully built 2.4 with FP3065 turbo.Other toys 99TAWS6,96z28,91 fwd turbo laser.

"And you guys with t25s and 14bs and 16gs can quit trying to justify them to me. I like big turbos,big TITS,big v8s with twin turbos.Big hp!Big torque.And 10 second quarters and 200mph top end impress me as well.In any car." New sig since mods locked my old one.

I garantee that I have more experience with DSMLink then you have. I've race prepped cars with the program and to be completely honest, it's not worth the big ticket price (that's why I don't have it).

Did everyone get that? Professor Brounstein is trying to tell the class that his in car timing device is more accurate for MPH then the race tracks' thousands of dollars equipment.

No. Your an idiot again. Not everyone advertises what mods they have on a car club website. (unlike you, who puts it in your profile AND your signiture to make yourself feel better about being a complete idiot regarding these cars). Not to mention the list in my profile is outdated by about a year and a half. All of that stuff has been upgraded (even the evo 16g).

I was actually at the track this weekend but my 6-bolt is crankwalking so the car would barely shift into 3rd and would NOT into 4th. With a 2.35 60ft, I still hit a 13.65@90mph as the car coasted across the finish line in neutral. That ET is close to your 2.4L 3065 times. I hope you feel like a man now.

Bench racing is gay. I'll leave it at that.

Thanks you track God but what you fail to realize is that real bracket racing cars are usually sub-10 second cars.

And it's not over my head regarding the altitude and other factors. Thats why they have Test and Tune before they actually go out head to head in elimination rounds.

I will garantee you that at my young age, I know more about track racing then your bench racing ass will ever know. Why? Because I go to the track.

Does everyone hear that? Dynos are estimates. Wheel horsepower is just a guess. F*ck paying a dyno, I'll just ask you how much horsepower I make Al and you can guess for me. Thank you Professor Brounstein.

Last time I checked, you don't dyno your car nor do you take it to the track. In fact, you use DSMLink and Tazzio to read your HP and 1/4 mile times. Hmmmm... must have been done on the street as well as you dont have a dyno nor a track near you. IDIOT.

And I don't street race. I have more common sense then that but thanks for your insightful guess on that. It's almost as accurate as your guess is on your horsepower numbers.

Anyone who frequents this board will disagree. Well at least we have seen no intelligent questions coming off of your keyboard.

Many cars are going very fast with dsmlink. Maft like you have can mess with timing on big injectors but of course get around that with chips.But many fast dsmlink cars on dsmlink boards,and the big boards.
Not worth the money for dsmlink.Yeah right I had a chipped car with maft. Whatever. :rolleyes: Aem might be overpriced but dsmlink rules!

I think you need to read how the track equiment works for mph.It is an average of last 60ft.Sorry do some research. Its even in the gtech manuals.

So why not just say you have never tracked or dynoed your car or you are afraid to post the dyno or timeslips cause people will know how slow or weak it really is? You keep screaming for me to track or dyno the car where are your numbers?

Lots of people bench race all the time on varous forums. And many enjoy it a lot. Not everyone has the luxury of a track or dyno where they live.
Tracks are hardly the answer all the time either.Most all tracks have no insurance if you crash or someone crashes into you.
Still I have raced lots of my cars at the track thru the years.Again where are your timeslips? You talk the talk but do you walk the walk?

Hmm you don't street race but you also have no track numbers with your car? So either you dont' speed either and then why do you have any mods at all? Must be to impress people or something. :rolleyes: Why do you post your mods on your webpage then?

And most of the big boards people have mods in their sigs or at least in their profiles so you don't have to keep asking them what they have when they throw out times or dynos or whatever.
It gets really old always asking what mods.

And said a 100 times if I was so rich and so worried about trying to impress little kids than why would I play with dsms when I could just buy a new z06 and hang on the z06 boards?'

I post my mods to simply inform.Believe it or not!

[QUOTEEven the most consistent bracket racing car which are usually the ones with no power or no wheelspin and usually automatics can vary quite a bit from day to day from just weather factors.
] [/QUOTE]

I said cars with no power or no wheelspin..the word here is "or" meaning of course some super fast race cars again like I said usually with autos turn very good times but are running drag tires to minimize spinning over street tire cars. And they can still mess up big time and break out,spin too much etc.No bracket racer is 100% consistent unless he is driving a super slow car. Super slow cars win lots of bracket races! FACT!

Hmm how old is that sixteen?
Go to the track more than me.Don't think so. Just haven't tracked the 97 yet. Said 100 times waiting for next year to take it up. Flatbeds scare me.Dsm axles and trannies scare me. Dsm reliability scares me. My v8s have done tons of back to back passes with zero breakage.
You go to the track you say.With your car or to watch..Where are you timeslips there big mouth?
Do you have another high 11 second evo16? :rolleyes: Prove it then.
You go to the track so much ,track your car!

Are you stupid? I don't have an evo3 16G anymore. That list is over a year and a half old. I'm running a 50 trim now.

And I don't street race. I bring it to the track. What part of "I was actually at the track this weekend but my 6-bolt is crankwalking so the car would barely shift into 3rd and would NOT into 4th. With a 2.35 60ft, I still hit a 13.65@90mph as the car coasted across the finish line in neutral. That ET is close to your 2.4L 3065 times. I hope you feel like a man now." do you not understand?

You want to know the best time for myself personally? My best ET was a 13.04seconds and my highest trap was well over 114MPH. This was with an EVO 16G. I run a 50 trim now and my car pulls much harder now but the motor has crankwalk. If you know anything about crankwalk, you will know that shifting is near impossible when you are beating the piss out of your car.

To be as nice as possible, your a big bag of idiot.

Oh yeah, I'm 16 years old Allan.

Why do ALL of Allan's posts end up like this??

It can't be him, though.. it must be EVERYONE else.

.. sigh..