i was on the extreme motor sports web page and there is some one named Phil Beers that has a 12.29 et with a 14b? and the exhaust isnt even 3 inch its 2.5. and it doesnt mention any fuel mods besides the fuel pump. i think that is amazing has anyone gone faster than that on a 14b and it says he has the stock side mount and ic piping. thta just sound sot good to be true imagine that car with a fmic bigger injectors afc and there still so much more.

Bali did mid 12s on the 14b and stock IC...

Albert ran mid 12s on a 14b and a FMIC...

Lots of guys are running good times with a 14B, it's just less forgiving than a larger turbo... so you need the perfect conditions and you gotta rag on your car a lot harder than you would with a better setup.

A car that runs low 12's, you give respect to. But a car that can pull a low 12 on the stock turbo...well you think the owner of that car can walk on water or something

Personally I think that it is amazing that guys can do this with a "stock" car. It just shows how much time some people put into the little details and tunning instead of just saying its no good and dropping it for a bigger setup.
I like doing things the hard way.

Matt

Some guy hit 11.98 on the 14b...
it was on dsmtalk

i'm pretty sure those cars are also stripped, few hundred lbs makes a big difference. the guy on DSMtalk and phil beers cars were stripped i know for sure, but i have heard of high 12s on 14Bs with full interior, so it should be possible.

Are these stock 14Bs though or are these 14Bs with 7cm housings and clipped exhaust wheels? Just cause it runs a 14B compressor wheel doesn't make it a stock turbo.

There are obviously other supporting mods that people just aren't mentioning. I think the rule is 1/10th for every hundred pounds you rip off the car. It helps, but not enough to put a 14 second car into the 12s. Similar to the estimation that every car length is worth 1/10th as well. If you beat a guy by 5 car lengths, you're about half a second faster than him. These theories work on average, and although there are exceptions to the rule, it usually works out pretty well. They might have a 14B, but they have the full monty on the setup, or piston work or head work, full exhaust, Stand-alone fuel system that allows them to run 28psi, bla, bla, bla that they forgot to mention. Not saying it can't be done, I just don't think you can run 12s on a BPU Talon, although I'd like to think that

That's not true Michael- it doesn't take much to run the 12's. No stand alones, no fiberglass hoods, ect.. Just simple, I ran the side mount, stock turbo, 6cm housing, buschur uic pipe (sold it to Kev Beth), stock bov, 2.5" dp (homemade), I ported the manifold,turbo,02 housing (all 1g). Nothing big here at all, modified the side mount inlet/outlet, hacked my own mas and afc.

NGK wires/ and plugs.

I personally don't think that is alot, and I did it on 20 psi, so really not a lot of boost either. Just tuning it, and setting up the combo. Granted I had no back seats or passenger seat. I could easily have put them in and ran more boost and still get a 12's no doubt.

I think too many people are busy telling themselves it can't be done so they give up and get a bigger turbo. Personally I learned to max out the stock setup to learn about my car and what works, and what doesn't. Once you have a good foundation, when going bigger you have the advantage of having experience to help guide you.

Just my thoughts.

From personal expereince, high 12s on these cars is easy and doesn't cost a ton of money. Mid or low 12s seems to cost double the amount to go high 12s.
I went 13.050 on a 14B. Little more work and I could have had a 12 but that was the last race of the season and the 16G went on over winter. High 12s on a 14B with mild mods is possible but I think you'd need to have some headwork and lighten the car up to go low 12s on a 14B.