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Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196405
June 30, 2004 02:31 am UTC
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Did my first 6 bolt swap on a friends car last weekend. The good news is it runs awesome and no real issues came up durinng the install. The bad news.........I was a f*ckin lazy ass and didnt order a new gasket for the front case when removing the balence shafts. (save the comments, I know, I know) So of course it leaks, not bad but it leaks none the less. mad

Man, theres less than 1/2 an inch between the frame and the water pump pully. How the hell am I gonna take the lower cover off let alone redo the timing belt and case cover while the motor is in the car?

Is it possible to just dissconnect all four mounts, lower the motor, and shove it towards the passenger side while having it hang from a hoist to get a few inches to work with?

2gers, please help.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196406
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Its possible, I just did my first 2G Tbelt about 2 weeks ago.

We had access to a hoist so that helped out alot. Just use the jack to raise/lower the engine accordingly to get the cover off.


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Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196407
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I'm no 2g or anything, but I dont see why youre idea wont work Rob.


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Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196408
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Try undoing the drivers side and the front and rear mounts that should work to lower it down enough to get room.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196409
July 04, 2004 04:36 pm UTC
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Driver's side mount should come off for sure, then a (properly braced) jack underneath to raise/lower the block a bit as required. If you think the 2G is bad, you should see the complete lack of space on the Stealth/3000GT! eek


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Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196410
July 05, 2004 12:10 am UTC
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well its done and wasnt as bad as I thought. I was just so dissapointed that it leaked I over reacted to the situation infront of me. Taking the oil pan off while the motor is in the car sucks though. The biggest problem I had was getting off/putting on the 1g lower cover around the 2g mount. I had to pull the two studs out and it wasnt that easy, none the less, its done and I dont want to do it again! laugh

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196411
July 27, 2004 03:49 am UTC
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Hey Im just wondering what method did you use for that 6 bolt? Cas Method, or the original RRE method where you have to drill in the block and tap it?

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196412
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CAS method....just follow the wiring diagram on the rre site.


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Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196413
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Do you have any tips or anything to install the 6 bolt? Im doing this myself and I havent done anything like this before. However, im good at following instructions and I've installed most of my mods myself.

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Theres endless amounts of info on how to so this on the net, just try a little searching. When you get stuck, come back and ask questions. I dont know what other tips to give, its pretty much straight forward and hard to screw up if you can read.

www.magnusmotorsports.com
www.roadraceengineering.com

I also beleive there is a board or something called 2g in a 1g, or it could be one of those e-mail user groups, dunno, didnt need it. All I needed was the magnus wiring diagram, the rest was gravey.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196415
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Hey Im just wondering, do you have to use the 2g fuel rail and 2g FPR? I have an aftermarket FPR. Or can I just attach that FPR on the 1g fuel rail? I bought the JDM, and looks good with a red valve cover. Magnus diagram, what do you make the harnass out of? Do I use my 2g harnass and cut wires to use some of the 1g connectors? Im sorry if im asking dumb questions, I want to get this thing right the first time.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196416
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On the RRE site theres two wiring diagrams for the 95-96, do I use method one or two? Concidering I have the whole 6 bolt block.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196417
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do you have to use the 2g fuel rail and 2g FPR
If you have no means of controlling fuel or flow, you need to make sure everything was as before the swap, If the aftermarket fpr isnt adjustable, you need the 2g fpr.

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do I use method one or two?
The answer to your question is in that article if you read it through. Its your choice, but you will have to do something different for each one, read it again.


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Do I use my 2g harnass and cut wires to use some of the 1g connectors?
Its a real simple wiring diagram, dont make mountains out of mole hills, you dont have to "build a harness", its already there for you. Examine the diagram, extend wires if you have to, solder and tape it all up, done. Its stupid simple, they couldnt have drawn it any easier.

Read those links through again, EVERYTHING is in there.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196418
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For more info try here
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Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196419
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I finally got the tranny out, MAN!!! that passenger driveshaft was so damn tough to get out. I hammered that thing like no tomorrow, not even a budge. So, I took out the whole arm and discounted the brakes to get the assembly out. Alright, I have a oil cooler question. I know its where the oilfilter is, but how do I know I would be needing an external one? It seems like this JDM engine is a 92/93. Redcover, the CAS sensor is greenish. Thanks for the help guys.

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My second question is, why does this JDM throttle body have one vacum hose? My 2g has 3 I believe.

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1. I hope you didn't damage the thread of the axle and you could get the nut on it later.

2. i would think your JDM comes with housing with an external cooler.

3. Because the emission systems are different.

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No, I didnt damage the threads, and I thought 1991 and up didnt have the external oil coolers. Anyway, how would I hook up my vac system with that throttle body??

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Use your 2g TB if you want to maintain your factory emmissions.

Re: Finding space to work on 2g's sucks! #196424
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How do I know if its an external oil cooler? What does that housing look like exactly. I looked at my 2g housing, it looked different. If its an external oil cooler, where would I find the external part to purchase so it will work?

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Are you fakin serious? You mean to tell me your doing a 6 bolt swap and you cant tell by looking whether the cooler infront of your face is external or not by comparing it to your 2g one? Common man, mabey you should pay some one to do this swap for you. :rolleyes:

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Well, everything is complete, this is kind of my first time looking at every aspect of this engine. No need to be a smartass about it, I can follow instructions. I've owned a 2g with a 7 bolt not a 6 bolt before. So that should explain it. It was a simple question, it maybe common for you because you've done them before, but even you were a beginner, you have to start somewhere right.

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It has two small little tube openings on the right side of the filter, there is no other attachments to it. The year of the engine is a 1993, I doubt its an external one.

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Listen bud, just LOOK at the thing. Its real simple to tell. Either it has two metal hoses with beads on the end to connect to your coolent system rubber hoses like your 2g does, or it has threaded holes for bajo fittings which put the oil through an external cooler (rad like looking thing). Its not rocket science. Bigginer or not, you should have been able to figure it out by simply LOOKING.

Every one is a beginner at some point, but you are asking questons that lead me to beleive a swap is over your head. I mean no dissrespect.

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lol well thats all I needed to know, it has two metal tubes with beads on them to connect with rubber hoses. Alright thanks for the help, I'll come back here when im confused again but I should be alright.

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I've owned a 2g with a 7 bolt not a 6 bolt before. So that should explain it.
Not really man. I have never owned a GM car and I could stick my head under the hood and find the tranny cooling lines!

Just by looking at it you should be able to distinguish between a water oil cooler and lines for oil to an external one BECAUSE oil lines have oil residue in them.

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I have a feeling that this swap could result in disappointment and lots of headache!

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We'll see about that one, when I do finish, I will let you know how well it went. Then you can keep your retardness to yourself.

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Alright, I got the 2g mount installed and trimmed and did the timing belt. Now, the thermstate housing is different from the top. Do I swap it with a 2g, or a 1g US model?


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