Re: Talon ECU??
[Re: AJ Maunder]
#314622
September 28, 2009 07:24 pm UTC
September 28, 2009 07:24 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 7,503 Trenton, On, Canada.
Ghislain Goudreau
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
|
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 7,503
Trenton, On, Canada.
|
No it won't.
420a and Talon Engines aka 4G63 are two totally different animal.
How are you fueling it??? Pump, Fuel Pressure Regulator, Injector, S-AFC???
Ghislain.
Last edited by Ghislain Goudreau; September 28, 2009 07:25 pm UTC.
Rouge!!!
|
|
|
Re: Talon ECU??
[Re: AJ Maunder]
#314624
September 28, 2009 07:29 pm UTC
September 28, 2009 07:29 pm UTC
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,322 Loc: Loc:
Rob Strelecki
morum foderator
|
morum foderator
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,322
Loc: Loc:
|
Those ECUs aren't interchangeable. Along with the DSM 450cc injectors, you'd have to change all of the engine electricals to match the ECU. You should instead look into a Vortech FMU and a bigger fuel pump. The 2GNT forums should have a wealth of info for you. http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=2GNT%20Turbosystems
Last edited by Rob Strelecki; September 28, 2009 07:30 pm UTC. Reason: moved to a more appropriate forum
1993 Eagle Talon TSi FWD 13.8 @ 106 :::: 14.1 @ 117
|
|
|
Re: Talon ECU??
[Re: AJ Maunder]
#314628
September 28, 2009 07:37 pm UTC
September 28, 2009 07:37 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 7,503 Trenton, On, Canada.
Ghislain Goudreau
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
|
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 7,503
Trenton, On, Canada.
|
I would defenately keep your right foot off the GoPedal till you address those issues. Otherwize; Poofff!!!
Rouge!!!
|
|
|
Re: Talon ECU??
[Re: Doug May]
#314677
September 29, 2009 02:20 am UTC
September 29, 2009 02:20 am UTC
|
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 7,503 Trenton, On, Canada.
Ghislain Goudreau
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
|
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 7,503
Trenton, On, Canada.
|
Mmmm; FMU are not the best tuning aid.
I installed a Hann Turbo kit on a 2003/4ish Cavalier a few years ago. Local guy bought the kit from Hann and wanted a hand to install it.
Overall kit was not bad, just a few cheap ars component that we upgraded.
The kit came with larger Injector and a FMU. Gig was to tune it using a A/F Gauge and to bring up or down a Set Screw on the top of the magical FMU. Archaic if you ask me.
The idea of larger Injector is to provide more Fuel when needed. FMU do not remove Fuel at lower RPM/Throttle Setting. They somehow pull Fuel and add some under Boost.
Best would be to run a larger Fuel Pump, run an Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator to bring Fuel Pressure to stock pressure, larger Injectors to provide Fuel at higher RPM/Boost Pressure and a means of controling the larger Injectors.
S-AFC or something like the Greddy E-Manage would be the best. And as a reference you should defenately run a Wide Band.
Any less of a set-up would be getho!!!
Ghislain.
Rouge!!!
|
|
|
Re: Talon ECU??
[Re: Lance McCabe]
#314809
September 30, 2009 02:24 am UTC
September 30, 2009 02:24 am UTC
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,322 Loc: Loc:
Rob Strelecki
morum foderator
|
morum foderator
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 15,322
Loc: Loc:
|
That's right, with the factory ECU, an S-AFC will only tune for vacuum conditions (idle, cruise etc..) as well as adjust for slightly larger injectors. You need the FCD to keep the factory ECU from seeing boost because it has no fuel & timing maps for that volume of air, and it cuts you off. Once you're in boost, the FMU takes over and you are basically tuning by setting the correct fuel pressure relative to boost (not 1:1 like a stock turbo DSM reg).
This is a crude way to tune, but if you don't ask for much it's acceptable! Standalone is best, but they can cost a lot.
|
|
|
|
|