Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer #324396
February 17, 2010 03:53 am UTC
February 17, 2010 03:53 am UTC
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
J
Jeff Mitchell Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jeff Mitchell  Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
J
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
Hi All,

I'm redoing my 2nd floor laundry room with a new sink and faucet. I started removing the old faucet and noticed it has a plastic line running from the bottom into the wall. I've learned this is probably a drain trap primer for the floor drain. (References: here and here).

Of course the new faucet that I bought doesn't have a fitting to reconnect that line, so what should I do? Just cap it off and pour some water into the floor drain once in a while? Or is it possible to tap into tap into another location - like the outlet from the sink?

Any advice appreciated!

Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #324405
February 17, 2010 04:59 am UTC
February 17, 2010 04:59 am UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,263
Niagara Falls, Ontario
Ziggy Dietrich Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Ziggy Dietrich  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,263
Niagara Falls, Ontario
From those links you posted, looks like you can have any source that occasionally sees water connect to that line, OR you can pour water down there occasionally as you suggested. The drain line on a sink is usually plastic and it should be pretty easy to put some kind of a "T" in there, and "cap" the tee...then you should be able to drill and tap into the cap for a line to connect to the existing line. I think that is what you were suggesting, and probably the way I would go...

Just to clarify....I am NOT a plumber, but a homeowner smile

Last edited by Ziggy Dietrich, RTM Racing; February 17, 2010 05:07 am UTC. Reason: to add

"bluebird" worlds fastest scooter ridden by me
"Whitebird" RIP
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #324425
February 17, 2010 02:26 pm UTC
February 17, 2010 02:26 pm UTC
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
J
Jeff Mitchell Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jeff Mitchell  Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
J
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
Thanks Ziggy. Yes that is what I was thinking, just tap into something that occasionally sees water like the sink drain pipe. Seems like a good option.

Thanks for providing a second opinion - I just wasn't sure if I was warped by my years of T-ing boost lines in the DSM! lol

Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #324431
February 17, 2010 04:36 pm UTC
February 17, 2010 04:36 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
Tim Grechin Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Tim Grechin  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
I'd highly recommend you buy the proper faucet. You want to make sure the traps under your floor drains stay filled with fresh water. It provides an odour and sanitary 'block' from the sewage system to your basement. When you open the valves on this type of faucet, water is allowed to pass through the mouth of the faucet and into the sink but a decent amount of water also bypasses the sink (in the faucet) and is rushed into that plastic line to help supply fresh water to your basement floor drain traps. Ziggy's suggestion probably won't work as a drain line doesn't have any pressure while your faucet will see XX.XXpsi worth of pressure. That line is pressurized like any other domestic water supply line to primer the traps. Drain water with no pressure just won't do the job IMHO.

For future reference, most of these primer systems use the water from a laundry faucet.

I highly recommend you bring it back to the store and buy the proper one.


Last edited by Tim Grech; February 17, 2010 04:37 pm UTC.

11.254@132.14MPH - Tractionally impaired
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Tim Grechin] #324438
February 17, 2010 06:38 pm UTC
February 17, 2010 06:38 pm UTC
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
J
Jeff Mitchell Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jeff Mitchell  Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
J
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
Thanks Tim. I can understand that perspective, but there don't seem to be many faucets that provide a provision for that primer line. The ones I could find weren't my taste and won't work with my sink (single hole).

...but maybe I can find a way to make this work by adding a tapped fitting to the end of the faucet's sprayer hose, I'll see if that's possible.

Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #324444
February 17, 2010 08:57 pm UTC
February 17, 2010 08:57 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
Tim Grechin Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Tim Grechin  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
There are timered solenoids that you can buy to replace the faucet. It takes a little bit of plumbing but essentially you're looking to have a waterline hooked up to a solenoid which is on a timer system that goes off once or twice every few days to feed that primer line. More often then not, you can find this plastic primer line running down an exposed wall in a basement into the concrete slab. The solenoid is easily set up in your basement utility room.


11.254@132.14MPH - Tractionally impaired
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Tim Grechin] #325195
March 01, 2010 08:43 am UTC
March 01, 2010 08:43 am UTC
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 175
Toronto
B
Ben Nguyen Offline
Regular Member
Ben Nguyen  Offline
Regular Member
B
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 175
Toronto
+1 get a proper faucet or sink for that matter, makes life easier. Everything tim had mentioned about the line providing pressure and clean supply of water for the fumes and sewage is some important stuff wink

btw what do you intend to use this next sink for? perhaps you can modify the sink to accept 3 holes?

Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Ben Nguyen] #325199
March 01, 2010 01:46 pm UTC
March 01, 2010 01:46 pm UTC
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 646
Kitchener
Paul Kruger Offline
Serious Member
Paul Kruger  Offline
Serious Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 646
Kitchener
Hang on a sec Jeff, this is a second floor sink?

Where is the floor drain this is supposed to be keeping the trap full of water? In the basement? Does the house have a water softener? How about the furnace, where does it drain it's water?

If this is protecting a basement floor drain, it might have been a provision for a home that had no downstairs laundry when constructed, no softener and a furnace draining outside. Any of that can supply the water you need, for free, without needing to go to an industrial looking laundry sink tap for your second floor.

P

Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Paul Kruger] #325215
March 01, 2010 04:23 pm UTC
March 01, 2010 04:23 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
Tim Grechin Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Tim Grechin  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
Yea, you can probably use the condesate line from the furnace.


11.254@132.14MPH - Tractionally impaired
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Tim Grechin] #325289
March 02, 2010 03:23 pm UTC
March 02, 2010 03:23 pm UTC
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
J
Jeff Mitchell Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Jeff Mitchell  Offline OP

Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
J
Joined: Sep 1998
Posts: 6,079
Mississauga, Ontario
Hey guys, thanks for your continued interest. smile

I could be wrong, but I don't think the basement drain has anything to do with it.

This is the second floor laundry room, with a sink and a floor drain. I think that little plastic line is just priming the floor drain.

I guess the idea is that the floor drain wouldn't normally see water (nothing drains into it) so it needs an occasional supply to keep it full. That little plastic line runs from the faucet, through the wall, under the floor, to the floor trap. Of course I don't know for sure because the line runs into the wall and then disappears. smile

The faucet I'm using has a pull out handle with a hose. If I can find the right fitting I think I can "T" off of that hose and get this solved. ...but of course it uses some weird metric fitting that none of the big-box stores have a fitting for! rotate

Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Jeff Mitchell] #325290
March 02, 2010 03:34 pm UTC
March 02, 2010 03:34 pm UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,263
Niagara Falls, Ontario
Ziggy Dietrich Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Ziggy Dietrich  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,263
Niagara Falls, Ontario
Ya, I guess it is same idea...just on the second floor...

I am still not convinced you need to feed that under pressure. I would think if you "T" off the BOTTOM of the waste pipe from the sink, you would see sufficient water to keep the floor drain from drying up. Also, it would not surprise me if when you see a large discharge all at once (like the washer emptying) if that didn't back up into the trap for the floor drain.

If it was me, I would try that first because it is cheap and easy, and then keep an eye and see if it ever dries up....



"bluebird" worlds fastest scooter ridden by me
"Whitebird" RIP
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #325303
March 02, 2010 05:37 pm UTC
March 02, 2010 05:37 pm UTC
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 674
Whitby, ON
Mike Kozlakowski Offline
Serious Member
Mike Kozlakowski  Offline
Serious Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 674
Whitby, ON
I like the idea of using waste water, however soap scum builds in drains, especially on horizontal runs or in P-traps and may clog your feed. So place your T strategically if you are going to go down this path.



Mike - '92 RS-AWD-T   <- SOLD
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Mike Kozlakowski] #325341
March 02, 2010 09:50 pm UTC
March 02, 2010 09:50 pm UTC
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
Tim Grechin Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Tim Grechin  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
*****
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,264
GTA
The cheap man's fix is to check up on the trap from time to time and fill it up as necessary. You only lose water in that floor drain trap from evaporation.

P-traps should never be used as tee's for any lines. If the trap under your sink loses it's water trap, a whole slew of odd sewage smells will come and fill up your nice laundry room.


11.254@132.14MPH - Tractionally impaired
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Tim Grechin] #325352
March 03, 2010 12:19 am UTC
March 03, 2010 12:19 am UTC
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,263
Niagara Falls, Ontario
Ziggy Dietrich Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
Ziggy Dietrich  Offline
Senior Member, with Far TOO Much Time on Their Hands
****
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,263
Niagara Falls, Ontario
I wasn't talking about tapping off the bottom of the "P" trap, but the bottom of the straight (slightly sloped) run AFTER the "P" trap. That should see water only when waste water is flowing, and I would think gravity would feed enough water to the floor drain to keep it from drying up...


"bluebird" worlds fastest scooter ridden by me
"Whitebird" RIP
Re: Any plumbers in the house? Drain trap primer [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #325363
March 03, 2010 01:27 am UTC
March 03, 2010 01:27 am UTC
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 646
Kitchener
Paul Kruger Offline
Serious Member
Paul Kruger  Offline
Serious Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 646
Kitchener
A floor drain on the second floor? Wow, not what I expected smile

P


Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1