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Idle speed controller #399794
April 09, 2013 11:42 am UTC
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Hi i'm wondering if anyone has a spare laying around.

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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399796
April 09, 2013 11:50 am UTC
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1g or 2g (not sure if there is a difference)


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399800
April 09, 2013 12:03 pm UTC
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no difference. I do have a couple kicking around. The question is do you need one, or are you looking to acquire a spare? I keep a spare in my car because I've had mine crap out and the poor gal wouldn't even idle.

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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399801
April 09, 2013 12:04 pm UTC
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No difference brother! From what I know anyways

Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399805
April 09, 2013 01:01 pm UTC
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I'm almost certain I need one, maybe a vacuum leak but i'm pretty sure its the isc... It starts to surge after the car has been idling for a few minutes bit once I drive the car it is not as bad...

Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399807
April 09, 2013 01:35 pm UTC
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Haha, I have the exact same issue.
Pretty sure it's my ISC too, especially because I am on SD.


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399808
April 09, 2013 01:58 pm UTC
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I used to have similar issues. The idle surging was caused by the ISC going haywire. However, the ISC seemed to be behaving that way because of the vacuum leaks nearby (TB shaft, crack in the IM). One I fixed the leaks, the ISC worked perfectly again.

I am also on SD.

ISCs get blamed kinda quickly. I would do a BLT first.

Sorry to muck up your thread.


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399817
April 09, 2013 04:04 pm UTC
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This can happen when too much air gets past the closed throttle plate and might be fixed by resetting the BISS.

If it's a 1G you also need to make sure that the closed throttle position sensor (idle switch) is functioning properly and screwed in the correct distance.
If it's a 2G you should check the TPS for the same function.


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Rob Strelecki] #399818
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Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki
This can happen when too much air gets past the closed throttle plate and might be fixed by resetting the BISS.

If it's a 1G you also need to make sure that the closed throttle position sensor (idle switch) is functioning properly and screwed in the correct distance.
If it's a 2G you should check the TPS for the same function.


It can be simulated with Link on a 1G, in case your connector decides to break like mine did. But then you need to make sure your TPS is lined up properly


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399822
April 09, 2013 04:30 pm UTC
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I guess its already been offered, but I too have an ISC kicking around.


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399830
April 09, 2013 05:57 pm UTC
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The ISC is very simple to check. Look and see whether or not you get resistance across the 4 coils.

1---2---3
4---5---6

You want to check resistance between 1-2, 2-3, 4-5, and then 5-6. If any of those are open or below 28ohm (might be wrong on that value), then that coil is bad and the ISC is junk.

Or, just watch this.

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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399846
April 09, 2013 07:20 pm UTC
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Thanks a lot for all the info, i'm going to start by checking for leaks and work my way down the list.. I'll post as to how things go and if I actually need the isc smile

Thank you again!!!

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we got you bro wink


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Salomon Ponte] #399852
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Originally Posted by Salomon Ponte
Originally Posted by Rob Strelecki
This can happen when too much air gets past the closed throttle plate and might be fixed by resetting the BISS.

If it's a 1G you also need to make sure that the closed throttle position sensor (idle switch) is functioning properly and screwed in the correct distance.
If it's a 2G you should check the TPS for the same function.


It can be simulated with Link on a 1G, in case your connector decides to break like mine did. But then you need to make sure your TPS is lined up properly


Yep but I really wanted to highlight that if it's screwed in too far, it will hold the throttle plate open, causing idle surge regardless of the sensor function.

Oh and I should add that a dirty TB can cause it to stick open too.

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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399926
April 10, 2013 08:34 pm UTC
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Does anyone have the MUT Scanner(mb991502) to set base idle with the BISS while installing a new iSC?


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399928
April 10, 2013 08:36 pm UTC
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If anyone is looking for an ISC, contact Stephen at S&M Imports. Bought one from him last year for about $15 shipped


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399930
April 10, 2013 08:39 pm UTC
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Take a look at VFAQ, should help you. You don't need that scanner you can use any logger or a volt meter.


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #399957
April 11, 2013 04:42 am UTC
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15?! That's crazy cheap!!! nice!


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Re: Idle speed controller [Re: Nigel Hap] #400026
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Thanks a lot for the feedback and advice gang!!! Will be working on her Sunday to resolve this issue.


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