Nah.. I gotta side with Bryan here. The reason we buy DSMs is because they're relatively cheap to make power with. Obviously you need to pay to play, but a properly built DSM shouldn't need a large bank of "oh sh!t" money. Of course things wear out; a dead engine in under 10,000km didn't wear out.

The only big money I've dropped on my car was to alleviate issues caused directly by previous owners' (or the shops they hired) malfeasance. This past winter finally marked the resolution of the PO's major issues; this past summer I beat on my car harder than ever before and tracked it multiple times. Had to do a couple oil changes.

A sh!t tune can blow up any car; doesn't matter what mods it has.

QFT

Completely agreed.

Also, rust and paint problems have absolutely zero affect on the car being reliable unless it's so rusty that your suspension is falling apart or your subframe ends up in your footwell. Having a mint condition exterior is not everyone's priority and I can tell/know it's not yours either (Stephan)...money can be better spent elsewhere in most DSM owners' opinions.

Yes exactly. Fixing looks is not my priority.
Having a reliable tune and slowly get the power to where I want it to be is what I am going for.
Time is something I don't have much of these days and I have other projects so no my tune isn't optimal but I am pretty happy with the power it's making as I can beat the sh!t out of it and still drive home.

Maybe I just worded this wrong..

My message to Manny is, "hope you can afford the repairs if rainbow doesn't cover the work".

I was generalizing.. In hopes to not assign blame for the issue/s.

Manny's situation is different. That's not wear and tear, that's a critical failure.

I'm referring to worn clutches, higher number of oil changes, turbo's wearing out from pushing them too far, axles, tcases and transmissions blow up, etc. As long as you're still in the process of perfecting the car to how you envision it, its going to be expensive (along side the wear parts).

Bryan said his car is ironed out and successfully modded when its not and it DOES require more money and time. I never said my car is perfect in anyway. In my view at least, a perfect exterior, interior, reliable, etc. Which takes a lot of money, doesn't matter if its a DSM or not.

The phrase "Fast, cheap, reliable, pick two" counts towards DSM's also. And once again, I don't mean to be rude or anything.

(I haven't paid attention to the looks of my car, but this year I am on the right track, with any luck it should turn out much nicer than it was last year :P)

If I understand your definition of successfully modded I think it's safe to say that very few of us fit that bill.

As for ironed out, I was refering to past issues the owners neglected. Mike said deep pockets, I think we all understand that we will have to spend money on these things I just don't think deep pockets are a requirement after the previous owners issues are ironed out.

Yes my car definitely requires more time I won't argue that, but the only money it's going to require is for gas and oil changes until it's block building time.

There is one situation I forgot and that is if you aren't doing the work yourself than yes deep pockets are a requirement, complete agree but that applies to everything.

All I know is.. Neither of you (Stephan and Bryan) are enthusiasts.

All that missing paint and rust.




Where the eff is Manny in all of this?

I agree with Mike on this. IMO When you reach a certain power level that the car was not intended to be from factory you better be prepared to break and replace sh!t.

Yeah but if you give your car back to the original owner, all your problems will be fixed in 6 months

So no need for deep pockets after all.

And I mean deep as a verb, not a noun.

Although I do wish I had your pockets

Why would Rainbow cover it? They didn't tune it.. they did nothing wrong.



True, if you're talking about cars in general. With the information available about DSMs and the limits of the various parts they use, it's entirely possible to put a car together that you can trust to get you to and from the track without needing a flatbed. Yes, things will still break from time to time if you're tracking it; that's always a given.

But if you think that a 16G at 18psi is making too much power for you to consider your car reliable as a daily driver, you might want to rethink who puts your car together for you.

Did we conclude that tune was the root cause of the problem? .... I thought we were still waiting for oil filter surgery lab results

Have you seen the logs Alex?
I think Manny is in the process of cracking it open as we speak, but the logs do speak for themselves.

These are the ones that were posted before, which I am sure no one checked because they would have spoken up then.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hvllphn3x2b7jol/log.2015.10.21-04.elg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijwk1d2w4np7wcx/log.2015.10.22-01.elg?dl=0

Just did, the tune does look off especially when comparing wideband to AFRatioEst. Car ran extremely rich at WOT (WB 9.5 EstAF 10.5) and way too lean in cruise mode (WB 18.0 EstAF 14.7). At least in the second log the TPS was finally calibrated lol

Seems like there was some major vacuum leak. Question, why was Manny driving and doing WOT this way? Wideband was screaming "something is wrong" under all conditions.

Stephan, anything we need to know?

Be prepared to pay when you want to play that's been the name of the game ever since i can remember if there is one thing I learned is nothing is unbreakable. Mind you this shouldn't of happened with a 16g so something was definitely off but I highly highly doubt it was the tune.

Also take a look at the IDC, to me that second log shouldn't have even happened.

Then you are misinformed.

Do you know all the factors that could of played a part in this if not don't point fingers untill all the details are known.

Ruben have you looked at the logs?

Oh yeah. I've tuned many cars but this one was just too much for me. Couldn't handle that 16g with massive 510cc injectors on a MAF. Does no one here think? I might do fucked sh!t to my car, but not someone else's.

Bryan, go look at your own tune for a change. Maybe get your car half way to running well before your car rusts itself away unless it's already happened while posting all day long every day about nothing car related to get your post count up, therefore making you skillful with DSM's.

Apart from the classifieds this board is dead. Look at all the people who have left and also just ghost the forum due to the toxicity. When's the last time a new mber joined. Maybe stop and think about that before pressing that submit button.

Less talk, more work boys.

👏👏👏👏

Clearly, YOU don't think, if you think the fact that it's only a 16G matters. Tune a car to run its fuel system to its wit's end, and it doesn't matter how big or small the turbo is. Reza called this from the start; the logs prove it: you were asking too much of those 510cc injectors. It turned cold, the car pushed more air, the engine ran lean and blew.

I repeat: A sh!t tune can blow up any car; doesn't matter what mods it has.



Bryan has been driving his car for years on his own tune without blowing up his engine. It's probably far from perfect, but at least it's safe. And he's not charging people to tune their cars for them.



I got front-row seats to watching this THRIVING board dwindle down to nearly nothing; it started happening around the time you made your incredibly conceited "Why you need to tune" thread. You want toxicity? How about the toxic garbage you were spewing there?



Yes, I do. Maybe you should hop off Stephan's nuts for a bit and educate yourself before posting.

If you guys want to be Tanchak Ricing fanboys, go right ahead, just don't expect anybody to take you seriously. Farcepower proved a long time ago that throwing money at a car does not give you the knowledge and experience needed to charge people to put their cars together or tune them. Using your parents' savings to build yourself a 9 second car so you can run 11s does not make you experienced, it makes you an idiot.

Simple fact of the matter is that Manny paid Stephan to blow his engine up for him. Manny could have blown his own engine up for free. Maybe I'm "toxic" because I'm not concerned with being politically correct, but the way I see it, if I had been a bit more on point telling people to avoid Tanchak Ricing, maybe Manny wouldn't be scraping together money to build his second engine this year.

Reza, I can't wait for you to open your shop. It will be so nice to have a reliable place to send people's DSMs in the GTA.

Car running wastegate pressure and spiking to psi injectors can't handle. Tuners fault ? Don't think so.

Deep don't get into it lol aparently we are the noobs that need to learn and build cars with our parents money lol that part was the best to be honest 👌

The hostility in this thread has got me reluctant to even post a reply

Nonetheless I've been up to my neck with work but I felt I had to post a quick reply

Snuck in a few hours this morning to drain the oil nothing noticable out of the pan but once I dropped the filter I saw a shiny trail same in the bottom of the pan

Rod's seem straight don't think I noticed any scoring on the cylinder walls everything looks in tact still due to the symptoms that were shown and opinioms I still believe it's a spun bearing

She's parked for the winter now so she's happy about that going to take my time in removing the motor and give attention to areas I feel were rushed during this build

Sad this turned into a pissing match but I'll give a quick synopsis of what happened

Motor installed brought home did an and experimental dyno run knocked at 5300k this was on 91 octane I did notice knocking a few times during boost spikes as I believe I posted earlier in this thread after the dyno run I believe it was thought injectors were being maxed I filled with 93 and knock indicator didn't flash except once colder weather arrived and I knocked more was told colder temperatures would do that didn't think about the fact I was dialled in plus weather

And now I'm here where I stand now... Some other things I've noticed is a clear oil leak from around the clamp where yhete turbo housings are joined also along the turbo drain from turbo including dripping from the bolts holding drain to turbo and from pan so gotta look into that

Hope I covered all the bases now back to work I will try and chime in when I have time bit for now duty calls

Cheers

Why don't you nice boys let your cars do the talking?

18psi out of a 16G is too much for 510cc injectors to handle? I wonder how all the Evos that run that setup manage to not blow up... Mitsubishi's engineers must be magical!



I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're just trolling. It would be immediately obvious to anybody with half a brain and a decent grasp of the English language that I was not referring to you. I was referring to the guy you're currently paying to build your car for you (because after a decade around DSMs, you still have no clue how to set up your own car).

You two keep swinging on those nuts.

Manny, I'll leave your thread alone, and I apologize. To be honest, I'm more upset with myself than anybody else. I knew this was coming but held my tongue in an effort to be polite. Even I feel some responsibility for this engine failure; I'm flabbergasted that the guy who put it together and tuned it feels indifferent.

I'd like to open this point up for discussion anyone who feels they've got valuable insight into it the floors all yours

Must be witchcraft

I am with Jeremy on this one.
I spiked my car 18psi and 15psi to a redline on stock injectors without issues running factory motor with 220,000km and same turbo as yours. The log you posted shows boost only around 10psi. Do you have other logs where you exceed 15 psi? also, did you ever do BLT? because according to your A/F it looks like you had vacuum leak.

I believe I may have one but it's a long log and you'd have to find where the pull hit higher boost

BLT was done prior.to start up 24 or 28psi no problems

To the evo setup point I would like to add (from someone's input) that I must also. Factor I'm a no near stock 16g setup

My car isn't the one that's blowing up that's why I spent time help a friend get his DAILY driver dsm figured out. I have stated multiple times since I have joined this board that the dsm is not my priority in life so I have no issues with it taking me years to get to my power goals.

I would also like to add that Manny has clearly stated that he has no idea what he is looking at in link, so he was counting on his tuner to tell him when something was wrong. That obviously didn't happen because we wouldn't be having this conversation right now if it did.

Here is the stock MAP from an evo 8, for some reason your direct access is missing from your logs but if you look at the tune on your car you should be able to see the difference.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pfdbxaqfjxtl8hx/EVO8-2003-stock.eda?dl=0

He has light version

Weird, definitely a 2g thing cause I just went back to my old logs when I had light and it has direct access there.

Is there a way for him to pull his direct access settings?

Want to ensure Stephan isn't getting a bad wrap either I was being told injectors are at their threshold just my unfortunate mentality was "if I don't see the check engine flash (knock indicator) I'm safe"

I'm sorry Jeremy didn't know who I paid to build my car is any of your business first of all and 2nd of all sorry I don't work at a auto parts store and therefore don't have the time to wrench on my car on a daily see when your busy making real money you run into those kind of issues but I don't expect you to understand lol.

I'm currently working on a PhD in mathematics. I entered the program with only a BSc, due to the advanced research and publications I had already completed. I spend nearly all of my waking hours either teaching or researching, and just one of the scholarships I received this year as a result is worth more than everything I've ever put into my DSM.

Given all your posts read like a 7th grader's, I don't expect you to understand "lol".

Grow up.

Congratulations on all your accomplishments and im glad you can spell better then me given English is a 2nd language to me I'll make sure to get you a sticker for that, but like I said in my first post it's none of your business what I do with my money and who I decide to have built my car if your as busy as you say you are I'm sure you understand what I'm talking about.

And since you been around for so long I'm sure u remember my old car you know the one that I didn't pay anyone to build because I had the space and time but not the money funny how things change.

I'm done with this thread if you have anything else you feel u need to direct to me send me a pm.

It's not. And I don't care. And I never did. I was merely using it as a reference; part of a name, if you will. You're the only person who seems interested in talking about your money.

I don't care if people pay someone else to build their car. It's your car, it's your money, have fun. My point was simple: you don't know how to assemble a DSM, but told me "don't point fingers untill [sic] all the details are known", when I knew the details. Who are you to talk about knowing anything?

Anyway.. this is twice I've broken my promise to Manny, and is not helping him at all. Feel free to continue your nonsensical blather; I will not impede you again.