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1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe #452481
February 20, 2017 10:04 pm UTC
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I'm going to be dropping my rear subframe off with my fab guy. Going to get rear toe eliminators made up like the Jay racing units.
And going to possibly have solid subframe mounts turned.

I have one other member interested in the parts.
I will post up a cost and a deadline for payment if any other members are interested.

That is If anyone is still running a 1g? Lawl


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452482
February 20, 2017 10:28 pm UTC
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I'm interested, Let me know.

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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452484
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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452485
February 20, 2017 10:50 pm UTC
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I'm 'the other member' but I'll just post here for posterity.

1. Mike K.
2. Salomon P.
3. Brian O.
4. Stephen R.
5. Bryan L.??? (Bryan, please confirm).


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452487
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I will double check but pretty sure Shandon did the Jay eliminator already.

I would be curious about the cost of the solid subframe mounts though.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452490
February 21, 2017 12:34 am UTC
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Sounds good guys. I'll get this moving.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452536
February 23, 2017 05:38 pm UTC
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Took everything to the shop today. He says no problem. So hopefully next week he can get started on my parts. And work out a price for you guys.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452541
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Sounds good, Thanks Mike!.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452550
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Interested in the active toe elimination kit only. Throw me down for one.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Adam Grenon] #452568
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Originally Posted by Adam Grenon
Interested in the active toe elimination kit only. Throw me down for one.


+1 interested as well

Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452571
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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452600
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I dropped some stuff off today. And he he started on the plugs. He said he'll make a couple changes to the next one to help fitment/welding.

We were looking around for heim joints. I am suprised how much they go for which will drive the cost up. Even the China Bay ones were over 60$ a pop shipped.
So my heims will be ordered soon.
He may start on the alumnium subframe bushings in the meantime.

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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452615
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Interested in the active toe elimination kit only

Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452621
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Originally Posted by Mike Kuttschrutter
I dropped some stuff off today. And he he started on the plugs. He said he'll make a couple changes to the next one to help fitment/welding.

We were looking around for heim joints. I am suprised how much they go for which will drive the cost up. Even the China Bay ones were over 60$ a pop shipped.
So my heims will be ordered soon.


That is probably why the Jay Racing version costs what it does.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #452626
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Originally Posted by Ziggy Dietrich
That is probably why the Jay Racing version costs what it does.


Yupp, I thought I could do it for half price of Jay's unit. Now I think I'll be lucky to save the taxes on a set.

I'll keep you guys posted.
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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452629
March 04, 2017 03:51 pm UTC
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You know, when I was making parts, if I thought someone was ripping people off, I wouldn't hesitate to knock off that product, but I never copied any of Jay's stuff, because his price was always reasonable. I just bought it from him.

It is good though that every now and then someone tries, because you will usually find you were not being ripped off.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452630
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....So is this not going to work out?.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452632
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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452634
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I'm still going to build mine. The price may scare you guys away though. I'll hopefully have a price this week.

I'm going with a 1 1/4 -12 shank with 1 inch bore. With Kevlar Teflon coated inserts. (High strength ends)

You can go with a smaller bore and still make adapter bushings for the m14 subframe bolts.

BUT from ball centre to arm end was 2.5" on my arm. And I had horrible toe in. So to have enough thread engagement you are pretty much stuck with a 1" bore end with 4 1/8" bore centre to shank end. That should give around 1.5 inch of thread engagement.



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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452674
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Got my subframe back with the solid bushings in them.
These reuse the oem sleeves. Bushings are pressed in and sleeves are pressed flush to the bottom of the alumnium for the front bushings for correct fitment on car.
Guy said were looking at about 140 cad for all 4 bushings.
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Still waiting on the heims for the toe eliminators.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452678
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Benefit/downfalls for rear aluminum bushings? I have aluminum ones up front that I want to take out and got nothing but bad reviews when I did it. I only did it as I didnt have a choice at the time, and I have urethane ones waiting to go in.

Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452679
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Jason Drew's car feels great with a solid rear. I haven't been in a solid front but I imagined the upgrade in cornering stiffness would be worth it. Why don't you like your fronts Ian? And anyone consider a corrosion issue due to 2 different metal types reacting ? A problem that wouldn't exist with a super stiff rubber.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Lane] #452680
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Originally Posted by Mike Lane
Jason Drew's car feels great with a solid rear. I haven't been in a solid front but I imagined the upgrade in cornering stiffness would be worth it. Why don't you like your fronts Ian? And anyone consider a corrosion issue due to 2 different metal types reacting ? A problem that wouldn't exist with a super stiff rubber.


Use lube/anti-seize and you should be okay - I wouldn't put the bushing in bare (even if it weren't aluminum).


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452681
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I am also interested in this answer. I still supply the rear urethane subframe bushing kits to RTM, and my stock is getting low. If the aluminum ones are as good or better AND cheaper, there would be no point in me starting another batch.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452684
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I've never driven in a car with solid subframe bushings, I have the poly ones in my front, and they are fine.

I imagine solid in the front, you would feel every little vibration from the motor. Front control arms will still have rubber bushings to isolate turning/suspension vibrations from the rest of the car.

The oem sleeves are a VERY tight fit into the bushing, He said he almost maxed out his 30ton press getting them in. I said I need guys to be able to install these with a 12 ton home garage press, so he said he will loosen up the tolerances for any future batches. I'm sure there wont be much room for contaminants to get inbetween.
The bushing to subframe would be a good idea to lube up, just like the replacement poly ones, as they are not injected and formed to the sleeve inside the subframe.

I plan on powdercoating everything obviously, before install so I am hoping it seals out the majority of crap.



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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #452685
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Originally Posted by Ziggy Dietrich
I am also interested in this answer. I still supply the rear urethane subframe bushing kits to RTM, and my stock is getting low. If the aluminum ones are as good or better AND cheaper, there would be no point in me starting another batch.


Ziggy, I'm sure the majority of owners will still want the Urethane replacements for drivability.

I still do long trips in my 1G. If these bushings shake my teeth out, or resonate through the cabin, I will probably remove them and switch to the Urethane ones.

Unfortunatly I don't have a review for everyone on the solid mounts....


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452687
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Thanks for that answer, though.....gives me the info I need. It is a big investment to make a batch of these, so I would hate to spend a fortune and then have demand disappear.


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Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452689
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Well, no one else makes them so I assume you shouldn't have too hard of a time selling these (Ziggy). But, based on what I've heard from people, solid in the rear isn't so bad. As Mike said, solid in the front will really transfer everything from the engine and transmission and steering/etc. Right to the driver.

Solid in the rear, I can't imagine it being anywhere near the annoyance of a solid front given so little actually attaches to it and it's location in the vehicle.


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Originally Posted by Mike Lane
Jason Drew's car feels great with a solid rear. I haven't been in a solid front but I imagined the upgrade in cornering stiffness would be worth it. Why don't you like your fronts Ian? And anyone consider a corrosion issue due to 2 different metal types reacting ? A problem that wouldn't exist with a super stiff rubber.


The whole car shakes like crazy, all the time. Gives it more of a race car feel I guess, but I don't care too much for it.

Re: 1g active rear toe eliminators / solid subframe [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #452749
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Well guys, I tried, but things came to slightly more than the Jay racing units.

If the dollar was on par, they could have been made for about 60-70$ less.

The guy has the subframe bushing dimensions still if anyone wants them. They came to $140 for the set of 4.


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